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by forgrin
31 Aug 2020, 10:00
Forum: ESOC Talk
Topic: ESOC Stereotype Poll
Replies: 87
Views: 2792
Flag: Canada

Re: ESOC Stereotype Poll

I voted #3, but I think some of the euro boys in the other thread sounded like a lot of young white men did in NA 10 years ago. Y'all are just a bit behind the curve, you'll catch up eventually. Not saying that they're racist people, but they're not as aware of how their words and actions are perce...
by forgrin
31 Aug 2020, 09:56
Forum: General
Topic: Aoe3 DE Gameplay Interview
Replies: 368
Views: 10983
Flag: Canada

Re: Aoe3 DE Gameplay Interview

It's not that far out to claim that this is politically motivated. That is, motivated by the devs trying to be "politically correct" which is somehow a synonym for common decency these days. Because that's what this really is: decency. Sensitivity towards a historically silenced minority....
by forgrin
31 Aug 2020, 09:44
Forum: General
Topic: Aoe3 DE Gameplay Interview
Replies: 368
Views: 10983
Flag: Canada

Re: Aoe3 DE Gameplay Interview

Ah yes, because native people are poor and can't afford to play PC games. Excellent statement to prove you're not racist (nevermind that there are people on this forum with native ancestry lmfao). https://www.epi.org/blog/2016-acs-shows-stubbornly-high-native-american-poverty-and-different-degrees-...
by forgrin
31 Aug 2020, 09:34
Forum: ESOC Talk
Topic: ESOC Stereotype Poll
Replies: 87
Views: 2792
Flag: Canada

Re: ESOC Stereotype Poll

I voted #3, but I think some of the euro boys in the other thread sounded like a lot of young white men did in NA 10 years ago. Y'all are just a bit behind the curve, you'll catch up eventually. Not saying that they're racist people, but they're not as aware of how their words and actions are perce...
by forgrin
31 Aug 2020, 09:28
Forum: General
Topic: Aoe3 DE Gameplay Interview
Replies: 368
Views: 10983
Flag: Canada

Re: Aoe3 DE Gameplay Interview

It's not that far out to claim that this is politically motivated. That is, motivated by the devs trying to be "politically correct" which is somehow a synonym for common decency these days. Because that's what this really is: decency. Sensitivity towards a historically silenced minority....
by forgrin
31 Aug 2020, 09:18
Forum: General
Topic: Aoe3 DE Gameplay Interview
Replies: 368
Views: 10983
Flag: Canada

Re: Aoe3 DE Gameplay Interview

Note that I personally blamed favouring historical accuracy over gameplay, not politics. In fact it didn't even come to my mind it could be a political change, that's too stupid to imagine. I'm not blaming native people either, I'm blaming the devs or whoever decided to do that. But yeah that surel...
by forgrin
31 Aug 2020, 09:13
Forum: ESOC Talk
Topic: ESOC Stereotype Poll
Replies: 87
Views: 2792
Flag: Canada

Re: ESOC Stereotype Poll

Hawk_Girl wrote:
forgrin wrote:I work with people with different races
This is by definition racist btw xd
by forgrin
31 Aug 2020, 09:12
Forum: General
Topic: Aoe3 DE Gameplay Interview
Replies: 368
Views: 10983
Flag: Canada

Re: Aoe3 DE Gameplay Interview

...Regardless I don't think having historical inaccuracies is in itself racist, especially in 15 year old media. Arguing against correcting a historical inaccuracy though, as you're doing, is the kind of obstructionist tactic that racists use. ... I would like to remind you the simple phrase "...
by forgrin
31 Aug 2020, 09:07
Forum: General
Topic: Aoe3 DE Gameplay Interview
Replies: 368
Views: 10983
Flag: Canada

Re: Aoe3 DE Gameplay Interview

The entire reason politics came into this was because some players blamed "political correctness" for the implementation being bad, which is just another way of blaming native people for changing their precious game. Don't think I'm blaming the natives here. They don't care at all about t...
by forgrin
31 Aug 2020, 08:58
Forum: General
Topic: Aoe3 DE Gameplay Interview
Replies: 368
Views: 10983
Flag: Canada

Re: Aoe3 DE Gameplay Interview

[mention]u54[/mention] [mention]u813[/mention] 1- As I said, you can't be arguing against the gameplay change because we don't know the implementation yet (or we're pretending not to). Besides arguing the core idea (replacing gold mining with an alternate option) versus the specific implementation ...
by forgrin
31 Aug 2020, 08:36
Forum: General
Topic: Aoe3 DE Gameplay Interview
Replies: 368
Views: 10983
Flag: Canada

Re: Aoe3 DE Gameplay Interview

Politics and stuff aside, I'm just sad that there's a good chance that my favourite civilization as I know it on RE/EP will not exist in DE because its gameplay will be altered heavily enough that it is functionally a different civ. I'm understanding of all the reasons you would make such a change,...
by forgrin
31 Aug 2020, 08:19
Forum: General
Topic: Aoe3 DE Gameplay Interview
Replies: 368
Views: 10983
Flag: Canada

Re: Aoe3 DE Gameplay Interview

[mention]u54[/mention] [mention]u813[/mention] 1- As I said, you can't be arguing against the gameplay change because we don't know the implementation yet (or we're pretending not to). Besides arguing the core idea (replacing gold mining with an alternate option) versus the specific implementation a...
by forgrin
31 Aug 2020, 07:53
Forum: General
Topic: Aoe3 DE Gameplay Interview
Replies: 368
Views: 10983
Flag: Canada

Re: Aoe3 DE Gameplay Interview

That's actually true. If we were discussing affirmative action, and you decided to ignore any arguments about historic differences between races in the US (ie slavery, redlining, education etc) that would be pretty racist. You're just mixing it all up so hard here. There is zero relation between th...
by forgrin
31 Aug 2020, 07:25
Forum: General
Topic: Aoe3 DE Gameplay Interview
Replies: 368
Views: 10983
Flag: Canada

Re: Aoe3 DE Gameplay Interview

While I could be arguing France should have female villagers, and no one would give a shit. How does this make any sense? Is it a dumb way to feel sorry for them or something? This just follows absolutely no logic. Seems like an irrelevant comparison? Explain more about this. Tbh it's not irrelevan...
by forgrin
31 Aug 2020, 07:03
Forum: General
Topic: Aoe3 DE Gameplay Interview
Replies: 368
Views: 10983
Flag: Canada

Re: Aoe3 DE Gameplay Interview

Yeah so basically, because they were discriminated, I have to care about historical accuracy, or else I'm being racist. . That's actually true. If we were discussing affirmative action, and you decided to ignore any arguments about historic differences between races in the US (ie slavery, redlining...
by forgrin
30 Aug 2020, 22:38
Forum: General
Topic: Do you care about the change of american civilization?
Replies: 359
Views: 6708
Flag: Canada

Re: Do you care about the change of american civilization?

Clearly the change is being done because George Floyd was killed earlier this year. If he was never killed this change would not be done. I have no idea how anyone reaches this conclusion. I'm a dribbling liberal and I don't see it. It's the kinda shit you'd see posted on /r/conspiracy with -1 upvo...
by forgrin
30 Aug 2020, 22:15
Forum: General
Topic: Do you care about the change of american civilization?
Replies: 359
Views: 6708
Flag: Canada

Re: Do you care about the change of american civilization?

gibson wrote:This is a great and productive thread
Off-topic is spilling over, you should be overjoyed
by forgrin
30 Aug 2020, 21:58
Forum: General
Topic: Do you care about the change of american civilization?
Replies: 359
Views: 6708
Flag: Canada

Re: Do you care about the change of american civilization?

[Armag] diarouga wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if he had evidence, but he'd be under NDA anyway.
If he knows about reasoning behind changes that have already been discussed that's not breaking the NDA. He's not discussing the implementation or anything game related.
by forgrin
30 Aug 2020, 21:56
Forum: General
Topic: Do you care about the change of american civilization?
Replies: 359
Views: 6708
Flag: Canada

Re: Do you care about the change of american civilization?

Whether you like the change or not doesn't matter, nobody was "forced" to do anything. Do you really think a bunch of Indians complained that this game which is by far less popular than AoE 2 has native civs mine for gold? No, the developers wanted to do something more historically accura...
by forgrin
30 Aug 2020, 21:54
Forum: General
Topic: Do you care about the change of american civilization?
Replies: 359
Views: 6708
Flag: Canada

Re: Do you care about the change of american civilization?

Yeah labelling people as 'ignorant white dudes' and as 'dumb SJW's' seems equally unproductive. Eh, speaking as a white dude, white dudes generally are ignorant about this stuff unless they specifically try to learn about it. I don't think it's any coincidence that the people on the "SJW"...
by forgrin
30 Aug 2020, 21:41
Forum: General
Topic: Do you care about the change of american civilization?
Replies: 359
Views: 6708
Flag: Canada

Re: Do you care about the change of american civilization?

comradecommissar wrote:I really want to know what Diarouga makes of Marine Le Pen and FN.
I don't think you're gonna like the answer to that question.
by forgrin
30 Aug 2020, 21:39
Forum: General
Topic: Do you care about the change of american civilization?
Replies: 359
Views: 6708
Flag: Canada

Re: Do you care about the change of american civilization?

"People were oppressed so balance doesn't matter and let's change everything they want". Let's give them a country in Middle East while we're at it. More like "people were and are actively being oppressed, and this game contributed to that by stealing aspects of native american cultu...
by forgrin
30 Aug 2020, 21:21
Forum: General
Topic: Swede and Inca speculation thread
Replies: 117
Views: 4049
Flag: Canada

Re: Swede and Inca speculation thread

Idk I think RE turtling with some tweaks is actually better for game design than aoe2 turtling. Just the idea that walls alone without an army to protect them are worth anything is nuts.
by forgrin
30 Aug 2020, 21:19
Forum: ESOC Talk
Topic: ESOC Stereotype Poll
Replies: 87
Views: 2792
Flag: Canada

Re: ESOC Stereotype Poll

I voted #3, but I think some of the euro boys in the other thread sounded like a lot of young white men did in NA 10 years ago. Y'all are just a bit behind the curve, you'll catch up eventually. Not saying that they're racist people, but they're not as aware of how their words and actions are perce...
by forgrin
30 Aug 2020, 21:10
Forum: ESOC Talk
Topic: ESOC Stereotype Poll
Replies: 87
Views: 2792
Flag: Canada

Re: ESOC Stereotype Poll

Freedom of speech is still very important here But still, you think that people who disagree with you are racist. I'm not talking about laws when I say freedom of speech, I'm talking about what you can say and what you can't say. "political correctness" influenced it and therefore the cha...

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