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12 May 2016, 12:22

Hello everyone, I'm making this topic in order to clean a bit the previous "map issues" topic. In order to keep this topic in the right way, we are going to only accept posts which are showing an issue using the following template in the current map set.

Here is the current template for reporting an issue :

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[b]Name of the map : [/b]
[b]Context : [/b]
[b]Detailed description of the issue : [/b]
[b]Occurence frequency : [/b]
[b]Screenshots : [/b]


An example :

Name of the map : Colorado
Context : Team games
Detailed description of the issue : The two top middle cliffs don't always spawn
Occurence frequency : 80%
Screenshots :
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12 May 2016, 12:49

That happens in 1v1 as well. Estimated frequency<10%. Also, mine spawns are inconsistent, at least in team spawns.
sudmakmak wrote:This patch Keshik don't have buff anti cavalry = noob patch2.0
and don't have nerf hard japan = noob patch2.0
because all more noob player at this patch = noob logic.
or they maybe have boyfriend.(japanese boyfriend fuck your ass them)
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France [Armag] diarouga
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12 May 2016, 16:26

Name of the map : Kamchatka
Context : 1v1
Detailed description of the issue : One player lacking one or two hunts
Occurence frequency : 50%
Screenshots :
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France [Armag] diarouga
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12 May 2016, 16:30

Name of the map : Arkansas
Context : 1v1
Detailed description of the issue : One player missing one or two hunts
Occurence frequency : 50%
Screenshots :
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France [Armag] diarouga
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12 May 2016, 16:32

Name of the map : Hudson Bay
Context : 1v1
Detailed description of the issue : One player can take 4 TPs while the other can only take 3.
Occurence frequency : 30%
Screenshots : /
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France [Armag] diarouga
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12 May 2016, 16:37

Name of the map : Tibet
Context : 1v1
Detailed description of the issue : 2 hunts don't spawn (on top of that you have 0 food on this map and you can't even herd your 2nd herd)
Occurence frequency : 50%
Screenshots :
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France [Armag] diarouga
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12 May 2016, 16:42

Name of the map : Cascade Range
Context : 1v1 and team
Detailed description of the issue : No food...
Occurence frequency : 60% in 1v1 90% in team
Screenshots :
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France [Armag] diarouga
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12 May 2016, 16:47

Name of the map : Klondike
Context : 1v1
Detailed description of the issue : One player missing one or two hunt
Occurence frequency : 90%
Screenshots :
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12 May 2016, 16:58

zoom wrote:
[Armag] diarouga wrote:Name of the map : Kamchatka
Context : 1v1
Detailed description of the issue : One player lacking one or two hunts
Occurence frequency : 50%
Screenshots :

50%? ROFL

Spawn it 10 times, I'm sure that 5 spawns will be unfair because one player will miss one hunt. I wouldn't complain if it was 10% xD.
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Italy Garja
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12 May 2016, 17:03

[Armag] diarouga wrote:Name of the map : Arkansas
Context : 1v1
Detailed description of the issue : One player missing one or two hunts
Occurence frequency : 50%
Screenshots :

This is as bad as it can get and doesnt happen 50% of times lol. Also new Arkanas will be much more consistent.

[Armag] diarouga wrote:Name of the map : Klondike
Context : 1v1
Detailed description of the issue : One player missing one or two hunt
Occurence frequency : 90%
Screenshots :

Lol you didn't even circle the first hunt of the top player. And in any case you're not supposed to have same amount of hunts on that map, let alone subjectively picking the ones that you think are close enough to consider.
In any case Klondike is one of the maps to rework.

[Armag] diarouga wrote:Name of the map : Cascade Range
Context : 1v1 and team
Detailed description of the issue : No food...
Occurence frequency : 60% in 1v1 90% in team
Screenshots :

Dunno what those circles are. To me that spawns seems fine, considering each player has 3 hunts (including the 2nd one) in its half. Berries are food as well you know.
[Armag] diarouga wrote:Name of the map : Tibet
Context : 1v1
Detailed description of the issue : 2 hunts don't spawn (on top of that you have 0 food on this map and you can't even herd your 2nd herd)
Occurence frequency : 50%
Screenshots :

That tibet spawn is good. The middle hunts are slightly moved toward the bottom player which is something that can happen and they could move in the opposite direction during age1. Most of times they start placed evenly anyway.
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12 May 2016, 17:30

zoom wrote:Basically, you kids are going to have to live with maps having a slight difference between resource accessibility of players, as long as one player does not have access to more total resources. From the above SS:s, CR and Tibu are more or less fine to me, while Kamchatka, Arkansauce and Klondu aren't.

I will not play in tourney with only 2 hunts while my opponent has 3, even if I notice it at 5min lol.
And the argument «scout your hunts to be able to resign before 2min» is totally irrelevant, on kamchatka you have to rush the middle of the map to get the goats and the 80f/90w treasure and on Arkansas you want to get the treasures.
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Italy Garja
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12 May 2016, 17:45

[Armag] diarouga wrote:I will not play in tourney with only 2 hunts while my opponent has 3, even if I notice it at 5min lol.
And the argument «scout your hunts to be able to resign before 2min» is totally irrelevant, on kamchatka you have to rush the middle of the map to get the goats and the 80f/90w treasure and on Arkansas you want to get the treasures.

Well don't play then and we're all happy.
You're only supposed to rush fortreasures because you know you have exactly fixed resources, which is the case for Kamchatka but not Arkansas. And actually it is arguable that the Arkansas setup is better.

Anyway:
CR explained.jpg
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Both players have hunts on sides and other 2 are in the middle. Bottom player has slightly forward hunts but better placed berries. Mines are even.

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There are 5 inner hunts that are placed randomly. This means that they're not supposed to be symmetric but >90% of times one hunt ends up in the middle and >80% of times each player get a clear 2nd hunt to herd.
External hunts are again placed randomly but they avoid the inner hunts which means they tend to fill the gaps.
Same logic goes with the inner and outer mines.
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13 May 2016, 00:06

Name of the map : Cascade Range
Context : both gamemodes
Detailed description of the issue : The second hunt is often slightly out of TC range, especially if it's drifting away
Occurence frequency : very often
Screenshots : too lazy

I understand that CR is a low resource map, and I'm fine with that. It does make too much difference if you can't reliably get your hunt under your TC. You can't influence or predict the drifting behaviour, which means that a hunt right on the edge of herdable will very often bug out because you get it into TC range. I think it could be a good improvement if the second hunt was slightly more reliable. It doesn't even have to be great, just remove the possibility of a mapscrew. It's especially bad right now because one player can have it out of range while the other has it inside range due to drifting (I dont know how it's coded precisely in terms of spawn distance). I definitely think it'd not kill the spirit of the map if you can get your second hunt in 100% of the time, since it'd still be very low resource.

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13 May 2016, 23:29

hello, I have found quite a delicate map issue to report.

Name of the map : presumably all EP maps
Context : KotH games
Detailed description of the issue : The hill/fort objective does not spawn at all, literally unplayable
Occurence frequency : 100%

Show your support for this fix mates! @pecelot @BrookG @r4go @tibia

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France [Armag] diarouga
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15 May 2016, 15:31

Name of the map : Adirondacks
Context : 1v1 and team
Detailed description of the issue : Only 1 orchard but no berries
Occurence frequency : 100%
Screenshots :
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Italy Garja
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15 May 2016, 17:23

Ye it is known.
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Brazil Buckethead
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15 May 2016, 18:35

musketjr wrote:why's my post deleted?

musketjr wrote:so if you criticize esoc your posts will be deleted at some mod's discretion. worth nothing for forum users!

Hello everyone, I'm making this topic in order to clean a bit the previous "map issues" topic. In order to keep this topic in the right way, we are going to only accept posts which are showing an issue using the following template in the current map set.

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France [Armag] diarouga
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16 May 2016, 17:20

Name of the map : Adirondack
Context : 1v1
Detailed description of the issue : Sometimes one player only has 1 hunt while the other has 2, this means that for example, you run out of food as dutch when you reach the 3rd age which means that all your MUs are totally hopeless.
Occurence frequency : Not too often but when you miss one hunt it's game so that's still a big issue.
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18 May 2016, 10:41

Not sticking to the format above because im lazy but I think colorado needs one more hunt on each side of the map, was hunting on my opponents side of the map at 9mins. I just think the map has potential but I seem to get hunt screwed every time
More of an issue in team.
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Serbia Atomiswave
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02 Jul 2016, 10:33

Are these map issues fixed in ep 2.0?
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02 Jul 2016, 10:41

Atomiswave wrote:Are these map issues fixed in ep 2.0?

I don't think so.
For my part, I'll fix colorado this summer when we will release a new map pack I hope.
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02 Jul 2016, 10:48

AFAIK all ESOC maps made by Garja have been fixed where applicable.
sudmakmak wrote:This patch Keshik don't have buff anti cavalry = noob patch2.0
and don't have nerf hard japan = noob patch2.0
because all more noob player at this patch = noob logic.
or they maybe have boyfriend.(japanese boyfriend fuck your ass them)
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Serbia Atomiswave
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02 Jul 2016, 10:51

zoom wrote:AFAIK all ESOC maps made by Garja have been fixed where applicable.


Thx for info. Btw I don't know if I should write this here, but Florida starts with the market?
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02 Jul 2016, 12:58

Yes Florida starts with a market. Two tps for each player only due to their proximity to the TC.
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02 Jul 2016, 13:13

Not a fan of Market starts ever (because they force player into Market improvements over TPs, as well as favor European and Native American civlizations in general), but I like the map a lot otherwise.
sudmakmak wrote:This patch Keshik don't have buff anti cavalry = noob patch2.0
and don't have nerf hard japan = noob patch2.0
because all more noob player at this patch = noob logic.
or they maybe have boyfriend.(japanese boyfriend fuck your ass them)

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