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Christmas Island QueenOfdestiny
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28 Jun 2017, 09:35

Hazza54321 wrote:terrible changes xD

the old OP russian player has spoken :kinggreen:
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United States of America Darwin_
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28 Jun 2017, 12:55

Hazza54321 wrote:terrible changes xD

wait why :? :lol:
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Sweden Gendarme
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28 Jun 2017, 12:57

Good changes for treaty, so you can get 99 vills without having to delete any.
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Serbia Atomiswave
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15 Jan 2018, 14:05

Now when tourney is nearing its end, we can safely say that Russia is one of the weakest civ in current ep iteration.
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Netherlands Goodspeed
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15 Jan 2018, 14:47

In our temple of heavenly balance every civ is one of the weakest :hmm:
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Serbia Atomiswave
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15 Jan 2018, 22:50

Russia lost almost every single mu on tourney, even in very skilled hands. Doesn't that say enough, or you still think Russia has undiscovered potential which no one knows? We need cheaper vill batch back....
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Peru Hidddy_
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15 Jan 2018, 23:49

I feel like they are stylistically disadvantaged. Their strength lies in long colonial games which almost never happen,

they can get early map control but it is not so strong because of the amount of starting res in base which means your opponent can age and push out with a tech advantage,
all in rushes do not fair well bc of my last reason and defenders advantage,
your units are always worse,
if you age to 3 you get no tech advantage except for Opris Cav Archers and 2 Falc shipment which is not worth aging for and your eco will suck if you ff + other civs do the semi game much better than russia.

Sure they can take early map and try to starve the opponent but civs like India do a much better job at this while having other ways to boom that don't depend on time. What I mean by this is that Russia naturally booms off their tc since it produces vils at 1.5x the rate of a standard tc, but you are investing more into your eco early on since you are paying 270 food every time other civs will have spent 200 food; therefore, Russia needs to drag out the game in order for their tc boom to pay off and so they can be strong. Russia sea play is pretty nice sometimes and as a surprise factor but even then you have all the other stuff to worry about like how much your units suck.
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Serbia Atomiswave
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16 Jan 2018, 00:56

Hidddy_ wrote:I feel like they are stylistically disadvantaged. Their strength lies in long colonial games which almost never happen,

they can get early map control but it is not so strong because of the amount of starting res in base which means your opponent can age and push out with a tech advantage,
all in rushes do not fair well bc of my last reason and defenders advantage,
your units are always worse,
if you age to 3 you get no tech advantage except for Opris Cav Archers and 2 Falc shipment which is not worth aging for and your eco will suck if you ff + other civs do the semi game much better than russia.

Sure they can take early map and try to starve the opponent but civs like India do a much better job at this while having other ways to boom that don't depend on time. What I mean by this is that Russia naturally booms off their tc since it produces vils at 1.5x the rate of a standard tc, but you are investing more into your eco early on since you are paying 270 food every time other civs will have spent 200 food; therefore, Russia needs to drag out the game in order for their tc boom to pay off and so they can be strong. Russia sea play is pretty nice sometimes and as a surprise factor but even then you have all the other stuff to worry about like how much your units suck.


You just summed up 2 Russia's biggest problems. There is no strong incentive to age uo, its pretty hard to maintain map control with relatively weak units, while at the same time forcing opponent to play long colonial, where Russia can really shines if given enough time to mass units and fight cost effective battles. I think 255 vills was nice boost, maybe even too strong in certain mu's. I think it would be adequate in current meta, cause almost all other civs are more or less buffed in certain way.
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Finland somppukunkku
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20 Jan 2018, 10:58

Nobody using Russia in tournaments! Players who used to use Russia a lot (Me, Hazza, Kaiser), avoid it completely now because its too weak!

Bring 255 back!
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Italy Garja
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20 Jan 2018, 11:11

255f would be nice boost for Russia but it's not like they're that bad at the moment. It's basically the difference between making them decent and actually competitive (aka scary).
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20 Jan 2018, 11:24

Garja wrote:255f would be nice boost for Russia but it's not like they're that bad at the moment. It's basically the difference between making them decent and actually competitive (aka scary).


It doesn't have to be 255, it could be 260....
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Italy Garja
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20 Jan 2018, 11:28

260 can't be divided by 3 with an integer as result.
Venezuela Hazza54321
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20 Jan 2018, 16:01

255f was retarded
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Italy gamevideo113
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20 Jan 2018, 16:54

Garja wrote:260 can't be divided by 3 with an integer as result.

Is it really a problem tho? Besides, i don't think 5 food makes any difference
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Italy Garja
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20 Jan 2018, 17:12

Well Idk. 255f was ok to me.
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Russia yurashic
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20 Jan 2018, 17:48

Hazza 2017: I don't main Russia anymore, it is too weak.
Hazza 2018: 255 was retarded.
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20 Jan 2018, 17:49

back in the day russia was a good civ
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Austria KINGofOsmane
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20 Jan 2018, 18:03

yea bring back the 255
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20 Jan 2018, 18:09

russia shouldnt be strong anyway, theyre too easy to play
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20 Jan 2018, 18:18

It was universally considered that Russians were OP after the buff. Hence, it was removed. In reality, of course, it was never making much of a difference.
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and don't have nerf hard japan = noob patch2.0
because all more noob player at this patch = noob logic.
or they maybe have boyfriend.(japanese boyfriend fuck your ass them)
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Italy Garja
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20 Jan 2018, 21:13

Eh.
It was neither OP nor irrelevant. It was simply significant. And it adheres to the bonus of the civ.
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Kiribati SirCallen
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20 Jan 2018, 21:16

In such cases where maths are maybe not such a tell-all it seemed Russian players thought it a fine change and non Russian players thought it not.

Seemed, is all, from memory only.
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20 Jan 2018, 21:18

The vote was clear. Not that it means too much, of which this is ironically yet more evidence.
sudmakmak wrote:This patch Keshik don't have buff anti cavalry = noob patch2.0
and don't have nerf hard japan = noob patch2.0
because all more noob player at this patch = noob logic.
or they maybe have boyfriend.(japanese boyfriend fuck your ass them)
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Kiribati SirCallen
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20 Jan 2018, 21:20

One of the wisest sentences I consider to have heard was, "When two or more smart parties disagree they are probably both right."

Not that it means too much either.
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20 Jan 2018, 21:20

Garja wrote:Eh.
It was neither OP nor irrelevant. It was simply significant. And it adheres to the bonus of the civ.
I'm not saying it was OP, I'm saying the average vote was very clear on it being so. I'm very happy to hear you think it's significant.
sudmakmak wrote:This patch Keshik don't have buff anti cavalry = noob patch2.0
and don't have nerf hard japan = noob patch2.0
because all more noob player at this patch = noob logic.
or they maybe have boyfriend.(japanese boyfriend fuck your ass them)

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