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Atomiswave wrote:I agree, 255f vills was actually adequate buff.


I still would not produce vills even for the price of 255f per batch. I still would try to stay at 17 vills as long as possible in every game, age up with 500food, produce army, send unit shipments all the time and attack my opponent.
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richard wrote:
Atomiswave wrote:I agree, 255f vills was actually adequate buff.


I still would not produce vills even for the price of 255f per batch. I still would try to stay at 17 vills as long as possible in every game, age up with 500food, produce army, send unit shipments all the time and attack my opponent.

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Russia is perhaps Jap hardest MU after India (more than vs Aztecs). Then again, unlike vs Aztecs, I think aggressive builds that involve jap consulate and aim to punish a rush can actually work vs Russia.
And if Russia doesnt rush I dont see them being at any advantage vs Japan.
It is also possible that Japan simply has one really bad MU just like any civ.

As for China I think Russia is one fo those MUs where colo strat is totally viable.
I remember posting a rec of that MU in my rec pack.
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As i already wrote here 255 :food: for vills is like a 0.3 :food: trickle, it's not even worth 1 vill. There is no risk of creating imbalances with this change imo
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Garja wrote:Russia is perhaps Jap hardest MU after India (more than vs Aztecs). Then again, unlike vs Aztecs, I think aggressive builds that involve jap consulate and aim to punish a rush can actually work vs Russia.
And if Russia doesnt rush I dont see them being at any advantage vs Japan.
It is also possible that Japan simply has one really bad MU just like any civ.

As for China I think Russia is one fo those MUs where colo strat is totally viable.
I remember posting a rec of that MU in my rec pack.


Russia always rushes against Japan, and in most cases against China. Russian player knows he has nothing to throw against large age 2 or even worse age 3 japanese armies. Same goes for China, Russia is helpless vs fortress Chinese units....
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Russia is less harder compared to aztecs for jap
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Hazza54321 wrote:Russia is less harder compared to aztecs for jap


In current state yeah, if Russia gets 255f vills back I think they will both be almost impossible mu for Japan.
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Russia totally lacks decent siege. Aggro jap builds seem to have a lot of success vs them.
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Well, to be fair Russia is fine vs Jap even from mid-fortress and on as long as they don't lose the game completely on one bad battle.
I think most of current players still understimate how good Russian strel-coss-CA combo is after just 2 card upgrades (and potentially 4 or 5).
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Garja wrote:Well, to be fair Russia is fine vs Jap even from mid-fortress and on as long as they don't lose the game completely on one bad battle.
I think most of current players still understimate how good Russian strel-coss-CA combo is after just 2 card upgrades (and potentially 4 or 5).

It's good, sure, but difficult to get to that point in the game with Russia.
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That's where player's skills/build-crafting come into play.
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I think Jap is one of Russia's best match ups. Jap has a lot of trouble breaking Russia's position before boyars and as long as Jap can't age, Russia outscales them in colonial believe it or not.
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Garja wrote:That's where player's skills/build-crafting come into play.


Exactly! If you simply go for early attacks every game with russia you got no skill and you will never get to the point you mentioned. Trust me, i know what i m talking about.
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Garja wrote:Russia is perhaps Jap hardest MU after India (more than vs Aztecs). Then again, unlike vs Aztecs, I think aggressive builds that involve jap consulate and aim to punish a rush can actually work vs Russia.
And if Russia doesnt rush I dont see them being at any advantage vs Japan.
It is also possible that Japan simply has one really bad MU just like any civ.

As for China I think Russia is one fo those MUs where colo strat is totally viable.
I remember posting a rec of that MU in my rec pack.

Did you just claim japan struggles the most vs india?
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Yes?
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I cant stand the trolling anymore, someone time me out please.
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Serious suggestion: make the blockhouse build time less extreme maybe. Opens up some more build order diversity I think.
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Jerom you are perhaps the only one thinking EP4 India is any weak.
Besides that India has always been a hard MU for Japan regardless.
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theyre good on ep4, a tad overated though
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Garja wrote:Jerom you are perhaps the only one thinking EP4 India is any weak.
Besides that India has always been a hard MU for Japan regardless.
Did he even ever say it's any weak?
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zoom wrote:
Garja wrote:Jerom you are perhaps the only one thinking EP4 India is any weak.
Besides that India has always been a hard MU for Japan regardless.
Did he even ever say it's any weak?

Not explicitly. However
Its badly time to start explicitly discriminating between tp and no tp. Also its just ridiculous to rate india this highly.

Did you just claim japan struggles the most vs india?

I cant stand the trolling anymore, someone time me out please.

which suggest he implies India isnt anywhere close to the top of the civ spectrum. Recalling some of his previous opinion on India I believe he means it's not a competitive civ. That is unless he suddendly changed his mind.
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Ive thought india was fine before the 'buff'. It can be found in the india thread for fucks sake. I just think youre a troll garja.
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momuuu wrote:Ive thought india was fine before the 'buff'. It can be found in the india thread for fucks sake. I just think youre a troll garja.

yeah i do think india was fine. And no jerom he definitely isn't trying to troll, he even posted some recs in other threads trying to get his point thru. But you seem like u are tbh
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rsy wrote:
momuuu wrote:Ive thought india was fine before the 'buff'. It can be found in the india thread for fucks sake. I just think youre a troll garja.

yeah i do think india was fine. And no jerom he definitely isn't trying to troll, he even posted some recs in other threads trying to get his point thru. But you seem like u are tbh

You either ignore garja, believe he's a troll or discuss with him and lose your mind.

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