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At least at my level, Russia is one of the top civs rn. Probably as good as Ports.

I think that russia is fine and that other civs were just overnerfed, but I think that strelets do train a little too quickly. Also their contain is a bit too good and bh are really stronk.
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Nerf Blockhouse HP to 1500 and reduce build time.
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Barracks: 2500HP
Blockhouse: 2000HP
Outpost: 2000HP
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zoom wrote:Barracks: 2500HP
Blockhouse: 2000HP
Outpost: 2000HP

Blockhouse should have 2500HP due to their outpostish function. Same for WH's
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yemshi wrote:
zoom wrote:Barracks: 2500HP
Blockhouse: 2000HP
Outpost: 2000HP

Blockhouse should have 2500HP due to their outpostish function. Same for WH's
Sure.
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Darwin_ wrote:At least at my level, Russia is one of the top civs rn. Probably as good as Ports.

I think that russia is fine and that other civs were just overnerfed, but I think that strelets do train a little too quickly. Also their contain is a bit too good and bh are really stronk.


Russia is the worst civ on RE and one of the worst on EP. These units don't beat anything, they lose to strong melee comps and are kited by ranged comps. To win with Russia you need to have double your opponents army, and this just does not happen.
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zoom wrote:
yemshi wrote:
zoom wrote:Barracks: 2500HP
Blockhouse: 2000HP
Outpost: 2000HP

Blockhouse should have 2500HP due to their outpostish function. Same for WH's
Sure.
I wanted to say that they have 2500HP.
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yurashic wrote:Russia is the worst civ on RE and one of the worst on EP. These units don't beat anything, they lose to strong melee comps and are kited by ranged comps. To win with Russia you need to have double your opponents army, and this just does not happen.

??? How? Russia has relatively even or greater matchups against almost every civ on EP, save for Ports, India, and maybe azzy.

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zoom wrote:Barracks: 2500HP
Blockhouse: 2000HP
Outpost: 2000HP

Blockhouse should have 2500HP due to their outpostish function. Same for WH's.

But blockhouses also train units. I suggested lower HP due to the fact that their contain on many maps is very good. Maybe its unnecessary. I dont know. I just thought I might suggest a solution to a problem which I have heard many of my fellow players complain about.

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At least I have some ideas and am willing to discuss and not ridicule outright. xD
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You kinda do, though.
So you can basically scout a forward BH and siege it down with your explorer and a native warrior or scout, right?
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Darwin_ wrote:
yurashic wrote:Russia is the worst civ on RE and one of the worst on EP. These units don't beat anything, they lose to strong melee comps and are kited by ranged comps. To win with Russia you need to have double your opponents army, and this just does not happen.

??? How? Russia has relatively even or greater matchups against almost every civ on EP, save for Ports, India, and maybe azzy.


Portugal - impossible, you can't pressure them, they age up and win with good units.
Spain - very hard, new lancer cards rock.
France - very hard, you can't stop them from aging and making cuirs that beat everything you can make.
Britain - very hard, they are an age 2 civ too, but with 50% more eco and better units.
Netherlands - hard, they were buffed and maps are now good.
Germany - hard, uhlan nerf helps but still.
Ottomans - hard, FF was nerfed a lot but jan abus is still a thing.
Aztec - close.
Sioux - not sure.
Iroquois - not sure.
China - favored for Russia.
Japan - favored for Russia.
India - impossible, you just can't beat their units.
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I think russia beat dutch, from what we've seen last tourney (lordraphael vs irish/goongoon)
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russia beat france now and shit on brits, the MU on RE , russia also beat dutch
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vs Sioux they should win, too
btw. brit vs russ is pretty even IMO
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yemshi wrote:
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Sure.
I wanted to say that they have 2500HP.
Yes. However, they don't.
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yurashic wrote:
Darwin_ wrote:
yurashic wrote:Russia is the worst civ on RE and one of the worst on EP. These units don't beat anything, they lose to strong melee comps and are kited by ranged comps. To win with Russia you need to have double your opponents army, and this just does not happen.

??? How? Russia has relatively even or greater matchups against almost every civ on EP, save for Ports, India, and maybe azzy.


Portugal - impossible, you can't pressure them, they age up and win with good units.ok
Spain - very hard, new lancer cards rock.you can kill them if you pressure enough in early age 2. If you let them age uncontested, you lose
France - very hard, you can't stop them from aging and making cuirs that beat everything you can make.Lol no. Even on RE this was decent mu for russia. You just have to do aggression and early stable and it is gg.
Britain - very hard, they are an age 2 civ too, but with 50% more eco and better units.False. This mu is in Russia's favor imo. They have more mass, better composition and earlier timings.
Netherlands - hard, they were buffed and maps are now good.This one is hard for russia, but not too bad. You just have to pressure and siege houses and then you can win fairly easily.
Germany - hard, uhlan nerf helps but still.This is very much in russia's favor any way you spin it. Germany's age 3 cant deal with Russia's late age 2 compositions, as strel/coss with boyars > skirm/ww/uhlan
Ottomans - hard, FF was nerfed a lot but jan abus is still a thing. This is one is hard for russia, but not impossible
Aztec - close. Yep
Sioux - not sure. Russia shits on them in my experience
Iroquois - not sure. hard to tell because of how much variance there is in iro players.
China - favored for Russia.very good for russia, even on RE.
Japan - favored for Russia.yumi are good but russia's mass is too great and their eco is actually better than Japan's in the first 8-10 minutes.
India - impossible, you just can't beat their units.not impossible, unless you let them have time. Russia's mass is so large that sometimes you can just overwhelm if you put on enough pressure early.
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Darwin_ wrote:Germany - hard, uhlan nerf helps but still.This is very much in russia's favor any way you spin it. Germany's age 3 cant deal with Russia's late age 2 compositions, as strel/coss with boyars > skirm/ww/uhlan

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pecelot wrote:
Darwin_ wrote:Germany - hard, uhlan nerf helps but still.This is very much in russia's favor any way you spin it. Germany's age 3 cant deal with Russia's late age 2 compositions, as strel/coss with boyars > skirm/ww/uhlan

:uglylol: :uglylol: :uglylol:

Well strel/coss isnt technically that much better than skirm/ww/uhlan, but Russia will just have 2x or more units.
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Darwin_ wrote:
pecelot wrote:
Darwin_ wrote:Germany - hard, uhlan nerf helps but still.This is very much in russia's favor any way you spin it. Germany's age 3 cant deal with Russia's late age 2 compositions, as strel/coss with boyars > skirm/ww/uhlan

:uglylol: :uglylol: :uglylol:

Well strel/coss isnt technically that much better than skirm/ww/uhlan, but Russia will just have 2x or more units.

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Well strel/coss isnt technically that much better than skirm/ww/uhlan, but Russia will just have 2x or more units.

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Age 2 russiaļ¼žage 3 german?! Are we playing the same game?
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Yeah that sounds weird. I've beaten sir_musket's Russia with age 3 dopp ulhan, the MU is definitely fine for Germany.
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I mean sure, it's less German-favoured on EP for obvious reasons, but not to such an extent... :uglylol:

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