Portuguese Discussion Thread

[Aizamk]

just accept that i won in this discussion. there's no need to continue talking about it..

[thebritish]

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nerf schooners?
like make it less good!

then , almost all players who would go sea boom will send +30% gather for fish and whale instead of the card schooners.

That doesn't even make sense. Like they are 2 totally different cards and gather upgrade wouldn't even be worth anything without having boats.

that means for almost 10 made boats, you will gather with like+3 boats which is 13 boats compared to the 10 as it is now..

And you spend 1200 or even 1400w for 13 boats gathering? You're 100% dead by the time you get anything from that.

I spend only 1000 wood for 10 boats which gather for 13 boats because of the +30% gather rate card.

And where do you make these boats? Do your docks cost food?

due to the reason that "I" or with +30% gather rate or "You" with schooners will need to make docks, i didn't count them/add them to the cost.
Also, if they are nerfing schooners, they would probably make it like the asian ones (to cost 70 wood after schooners).
you will need to make 13(boats)*70=910 wood, but i need to make 10(boats)*100=1000 wood.

the fishing boat have 25 train points which means if we make boats from 2 docks, i will get advantage of 25 seconds with 3 more boats and 25 seconds with 1 more boat.
i will have 3 more boats with 87 gather rate for fish because of the gathering upgrade which comes to:
0.87(gatherrate)*25(seconds)=21.75 per boat.
i have 3 boats, so 3*21.75=65.25
then i will have 25 more seconds with one more boat.
this comes to 65.25+21.75=87.
with the thing that food is gathered faster. 87 food comes to 51 wood, so 1000-51=949 wood compared to your 910 food (the difference is 39 wood). But as more boats are made, i will get more resource than you will.

If you use schooners, you just have more boats, more wood and send the gather upgrade afterwards. It's impossible to compare them since they have 2 completly different effects on boats

just accept that i won in this discussion. there's no need to continue talking about it..

What did you prove? That you gather slightly more food for investing way more wood? That's not something you want to do.
And if you're right why doesn't just everyone use gather upgrades at the start instead of schooners?

I did prove that if schoneers are nerfed (made the same as the asian ones), i would send +30% gather rate instead of schooners and as more boats are made, i will get bigger efficiency than the one who sends schooners who will cost 70 wood.

[thebritish]

just accept that i won in this discussion. there's no need to continue talking about it..

what have i done or i am doing to be stopped?

[Wuangaga]

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nerf schooners?
like make it less good!

then , almost all players who would go sea boom will send +30% gather for fish and whale instead of the card schooners.

That doesn't even make sense. Like they are 2 totally different cards and gather upgrade wouldn't even be worth anything without having boats.

that means for almost 10 made boats, you will gather with like+3 boats which is 13 boats compared to the 10 as it is now..

And you spend 1200 or even 1400w for 13 boats gathering? You're 100% dead by the time you get anything from that.

I spend only 1000 wood for 10 boats which gather for 13 boats because of the +30% gather rate card.

And where do you make these boats? Do your docks cost food?

due to the reason that "I" or with +30% gather rate or "You" with schooners will need to make docks, i didn't count them/add them to the cost.
Also, if they are nerfing schooners, they would probably make it like the asian ones (to cost 70 wood after schooners).
you will need to make 13(boats)*70=910 wood, but i need to make 10(boats)*100=1000 wood.

the fishing boat have 25 train points which means if we make boats from 2 docks, i will get advantage of 25 seconds with 3 more boats and 25 seconds with 1 more boat.
i will have 3 more boats with 87 gather rate for fish because of the gathering upgrade which comes to:
0.87(gatherrate)*25(seconds)=21.75 per boat.
i have 3 boats, so 3*21.75=65.25
then i will have 25 more seconds with one more boat.
this comes to 65.25+21.75=87.
with the thing that food is gathered faster. 87 food comes to 51 wood, so 1000-51=949 wood compared to your 910 food (the difference is 39 wood). But as more boats are made, i will get more resource than you will.

If you use schooners, you just have more boats, more wood and send the gather upgrade afterwards. It's impossible to compare them since they have 2 completly different effects on boats

just accept that i won in this discussion. there's no need to continue talking about it..

What did you prove? That you gather slightly more food for investing way more wood? That's not something you want to do.
And if you're right why doesn't just everyone use gather upgrades at the start instead of schooners?

I did prove that if schoneers are nerfed (made the same as the asian ones), i would send +30% gather rate instead of schooners and as more boats are made, i will get bigger efficiency than the one who sends schooners who will cost 70 wood.

Your effeciency will improve even more when you send schooners and then the gather upgrade since you have more boats then. As i said you can't compare both cards but you can combine them.

[musketeer925]

Can we chill on the quote tunnels?

[momuuu]

Can we chill on the quote tunnels?

could you possibly make it like it was on the old forums?

Or even better, do it team liquid style, where the excessive quotes are hidden in a spoiler.

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Oh, and OSX compatibility!

[sebnan12]

thx for quote me 13 times

[osmarribeiro]

and rather than change the cost of peasant food, just alter the beginning of Portugal, for example, Portugal will be able to change their initial crates number of 100 and 200 wood to 200 and timber 300, so would always fazar the market and pick up trading posts. Another interesting change, would almentar a settler your initial number of settlers and reuse the vanilla hunter.

[osmarribeiro]

I believe that in this way it would solve the problem of Portugal and would balance its military echo with other civs. MAINTAINING a better balance without the risk of causing major imbalances.

[osmarribeiro]

Now one thing that no doubt should be changed is the organ cannon, undoubtedly the worst cannon game, should cost 2 or 3 populaççao and reduce their cost of gold

[thebritish]

Now one thing that no doubt should be changed is the organ cannon, undoubtedly the worst cannon game, should cost 2 or 3 populaççao and reduce their cost of gold

so, you are saying that you could defeat 33 imperial organ guns with 50 imperial hussars?

[Hazza54321]

Now one thing that no doubt should be changed is the organ cannon, undoubtedly the worst cannon game, should cost 2 or 3 populaççao and reduce their cost of gold

so, you are saying that you could defeat 33 imperial organ guns with 50 imperial hussars?

easily lol

[osmarribeiro]

the point is that Portugal does not have an efficient cannon until you reach the cannon was 4. The organ has a benefio orrivel cost, it is only effective if used in large numbers above 10. And in this case its population cost, prevent the use another troop to defend them.

[osmarribeiro]

other civilizations, have better and more cost benefit cannons, both Japan as Iroquois, have better cannons, cheaper and costs less population. The cannon organ loses in comparison to all other canhor, and so it is really effective against infantry. so to solve this problem, should reduce their cost of population or else allow Portugal to manufacture the falconet cannon as another option.

[osmarribeiro]

Another simple change that could result in balance, would increase the scope of orgõa cannon to make it more efficient.

[Garja]

Organs are supposed to be anti infantry only (and to siege I guess). They infact do better than falcs at that. For cannons fights or other stuff there are culvs.
The only unit that needed a change (rather than the vill cost change) is the cassador.

[_DB_]

I think cassies are ok. 4.5 speed is huge factor tbh.

if they need something, then maybe we can make either 1-2 more attack or 10 more hp or 5-10% more RR to cass

Port goon need a nerf in late game tbh. The 20 range goon if age IV is fucking op.

I think theres a need to configure genitours to give only +4 range instead +6. They are hardly touchable by most units except longbow.

It will make 18 range, which is quite okay.

[thebritish]

I think cassies are ok. 4.5 speed is huge factor tbh.

if they need something, then maybe we can make either 1-2 more attack or 10 more hp or 5-10% more RR to cass

Port goon need a nerf in late game tbh. The 20 range goon if age IV is fucking op.

I think theres a need to configure genitours to give only +4 range instead +6. They are hardly touchable by most units except longbow.

It will make 18 range, which is quite okay.

you are saying that 50% or 60% RR isnt enough and you wont to buff it more. well, c'mon

[_DB_]

I think cassies are ok. 4.5 speed is huge factor tbh.

if they need something, then maybe we can make either 1-2 more attack or 10 more hp or 5-10% more RR to cass

Port goon need a nerf in late game tbh. The 20 range goon if age IV is fucking op.

I think theres a need to configure genitours to give only +4 range instead +6. They are hardly touchable by most units except longbow.

It will make 18 range, which is quite okay.

you are saying that 50% or 60% RR isnt enough and you wont to buff it more. well, c'mon

They are okay, but idk what makes me think that they still need something.

[[Armag] diarouga]

The problem with cassa is that they have less hp but 50% range resistance instead of 30 so they get smashed by cav or even rods.

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The problem with cassa is that they have less hp but 50% range resistance instead of 30 so they get smashed by cav or even rods.

Yeah. If we buff its HP they become strong, and if we buff its RR, they still become strong lol.

I feel that we can give them like 1-2 more attack to allow them to abuse the advantage of their speed.

[thebritish]

The problem with cassa is that they have less hp but 50% range resistance instead of 30 so they get smashed by cav or even rods.

Yeah. If we buff its HP they become strong, and if we buff its RR, they still become strong lol.

I feel that we can give them like 1-2 more attack to allow them to abuse the advantage of their speed.

if we really want to make them be able to abuse their speed, we can just buff their attack, nerf their HP and up their RR.
Yes, i am serious because this way they can kill musks easier,. but once they get melee, it will be gg..

[_DB_]

The problem with cassa is that they have less hp but 50% range resistance instead of 30 so they get smashed by cav or even rods.

Yeah. If we buff its HP they become strong, and if we buff its RR, they still become strong lol.

I feel that we can give them like 1-2 more attack to allow them to abuse the advantage of their speed.

if we really want to make them be able to abuse their speed, we can just buff their attack, nerf their HP and up their RR.
Yes, i am serious because this way they can kill musks easier,. but once they get melee, it will be gg..

Well. They should ofc kill musks easier, it's the use of skirm lol.

I think nerfing their HP would be too much even if we buff attack. Just 1-2 more attack would be okay.

Tbh port needed the inf combat card in age 3 instead of age 4, it could have fixed the problem.

If EP can move age 2 silk road card to age 1, and then should be able to move age 4 inf combat card to age 3.

[thebritish]

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The problem with cassa is that they have less hp but 50% range resistance instead of 30 so they get smashed by cav or even rods.

Yeah. If we buff its HP they become strong, and if we buff its RR, they still become strong lol.

I feel that we can give them like 1-2 more attack to allow them to abuse the advantage of their speed.

if we really want to make them be able to abuse their speed, we can just buff their attack, nerf their HP and up their RR.
Yes, i am serious because this way they can kill musks easier,. but once they get melee, it will be gg..

Well. They should ofc kill musks easier, it's the use of skirm lol.

I think nerfing their HP would be too much even if we buff attack. Just 1-2 more attack would be okay.

Tbh port needed the inf combat card in age 3 instead of age 4, it could have fixed the problem.

If EP can move age 2 silk road card to age 1, and then should be able to move age 4 inf combat card to age 3.

i think they should move inf hp and inf attack in age 3, so if port wants to have OP units in age 3, they will need 2 cards instead of one because their cards buffs both HI and LI