Ottomans Discussion Thread
Re: Ottoman Discussion Thread
I remember having picked otto yet in team (2v2) and been able to beat veni's team, whereas veni is ofc far better than me. And at the end he complained that otto were still super strong.
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Rikikipu wrote:I remember having picked otto yet in team (2v2) and been able to beat veni's team, whereas veni is ofc far better than me. And at the end he complained that otto were still super strong.
otto is super good in 2v2
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they're fine in 2v2 with the same qualifiers for being as in 1v1......if it's a map where they can take many tp....... Try playing them on a no tp map lolKINGofOsmane wrote:Rikikipu wrote:I remember having picked otto yet in team (2v2) and been able to beat veni's team, whereas veni is ofc far better than me. And at the end he complained that otto were still super strong.
otto is super good in 2v2
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gibson wrote:they're fine in 2v2 with the same qualifiers for being as in 1v1......if it's a map where they can take many tp....... Try playing them on a no tp map lolKINGofOsmane wrote:Rikikipu wrote:I remember having picked otto yet in team (2v2) and been able to beat veni's team, whereas veni is ofc far better than me. And at the end he complained that otto were still super strong.
otto is super good in 2v2
why would you ever play otto on non tp maps
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Well usually team games are hosted on standard maps so you have like a 1/3 maybe of it not being tp..... And even with only 1 tp if you don't win or do serious damage before like 8 minutes you just loseKINGofOsmane wrote:gibson wrote:they're fine in 2v2 with the same qualifiers for being as in 1v1......if it's a map where they can take many tp....... Try playing them on a no tp map lolShow hidden quotes
why would you ever play otto on non tp maps
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gibson wrote:Well usually team games are hosted on standard maps so you have like a 1/3 maybe of it not being tp..... And even with only 1 tp if you don't win or do serious damage before like 8 minutes you just loseKINGofOsmane wrote:Show hidden quotes
why would you ever play otto on non tp maps
then i just re lol
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u don't play team foolKINGofOsmane wrote:gibson wrote:Well usually team games are hosted on standard maps so you have like a 1/3 maybe of it not being tp..... And even with only 1 tp if you don't win or do serious damage before like 8 minutes you just loseShow hidden quotes
then i just re lol
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i do sometimes
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Re: Ottoman Discussion Thread
Mosque start isnt that bad. You can upgrade vill training and get a decent eco, but be behind in shipments. Its just a little bit of a give-and-take.
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Yeah you usually get a really good eco as otto, especially with mosque start instead of TP
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Darwin_ wrote:Mosque start isnt that bad. You can upgrade vill training and get a really good eco, but be behind in shipments. Its just a little bit of a give-and-take.
The upgrade is so bad that getting it is questionable even if you start mosque.
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britishmusketeer wrote:Darwin_ wrote:Mosque start isnt that bad. You can upgrade vill training and get a really good eco, but be behind in shipments. Its just a little bit of a give-and-take.
The upgrade is so bad that getting it is questionable even if you start mosque.
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lemmings121 wrote:britishmusketeer wrote:Darwin_ wrote:Mosque start isnt that bad. You can upgrade vill training and get a really good eco, but be behind in shipments. Its just a little bit of a give-and-take.
The upgrade is so bad that getting it is questionable even if you start mosque.
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it is 5 secs off 47 sec original train time. By the time you hit age 2 you won't even have gained half a vill but you are 200VS down.
Re: Ottoman Discussion Thread
Kaiserklein wrote:Yeah you usually get a really good eco as otto, especially with mosque start instead of TP
Really good eco is totally circumstantial, as you can imagine. I meant compartively good eco
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britishmusketeer wrote:lemmings121 wrote:Show hidden quotes
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it is 5 secs off 47 sec original train time. By the time you hit age 2 you won't even have gained half a vill but you are 200VS down.
So maybe just cut the cost upgrades by at least half to begin with?
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Take inspiration from as fp's way of messing with otto; make church upgrades actually decent. Im not sure if making them actually viable would be the way to go about it, but making it not much worse than stagecoaching should be interesting and could make the civ more competitive in teamgames.
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Jerom wrote:Take inspiration from as fp's way of messing with otto; make church upgrades actually decent. Im not sure if making them actually viable would be the way to go about it, but making it not much worse than stagecoaching should be interesting and could make the civ more competitive in teamgames.
Yeah, if I remember correctly, they made the vill limit upgrades give vills themselves. What I would like to see would be the training speed upgrades made cheaper/stronger or give vills, not the limit ones.
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Pretty sure otto will always be otto and we'll never change the design of the civ, unless we make drastic changes. I don't think small buffs to church upgrades will change much to balance. Otto will always be broken. It might just make the civ a bit more fun to play since you would be able to boom a bit.
Balance wise otto is more or less fine anyway, it's at least average
Balance wise otto is more or less fine anyway, it's at least average
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Otto with 2 early stagecoach tp's like on mendocino or the right spawn of manchuria is super strong. I have also been experimenting with ATP/silk road builds which seem to be pretty strong.
Also been trying defensive mosque ff's on non-tp maps and they seem pretty decent. I start with a mosque and house, with the first vill upgrade if I can, build a market in transition and get hunting dogs and placer mines, with the 400w age up get steel traps and the next vill upgrade or barracks, ship 700w and build your first rax and continue to get vill training upgrades, 700 coin then age with fast age. Get vet jans once aged up, send 8 jans/5 huss/5 abus/ 2 falcs and start to pressure. It is okay, but not as strong as their straight ff on tp maps or stagecoach semi.
Also been trying defensive mosque ff's on non-tp maps and they seem pretty decent. I start with a mosque and house, with the first vill upgrade if I can, build a market in transition and get hunting dogs and placer mines, with the 400w age up get steel traps and the next vill upgrade or barracks, ship 700w and build your first rax and continue to get vill training upgrades, 700 coin then age with fast age. Get vet jans once aged up, send 8 jans/5 huss/5 abus/ 2 falcs and start to pressure. It is okay, but not as strong as their straight ff on tp maps or stagecoach semi.
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Re: Ottoman Discussion Thread
Mosque upgrade math:
Note:Each mosque upgrade reduces the vill training time by 6 secs, and the original training time is 48 secs.
The upgrade makes you train vills faster. This means that your vill can be gathering for those extra seconds gained.
The first vill gets 6 extra secs, while the second gets 12 secs due to the previous trained vill having been trained faster. The third will be 18 secs, and so on.
Now the math:(assuming your vills dont get idled)
48 secs since the upgrade: accumulated gain = 6 villsecs
96 secs: accumulated gain = 18 villsecs
144 secs: accumulated gain = 36 villsecs
192 secs: gain = 60 villsecs
240 secs: gain = 90 villsecs
288 secs: = 126 villsecs
336 secs = 168 villsecs
384 secs = 216 villsecs
432 secs = 270 villsecs
480 secs = 360 villsecs
528 secs = 420 villsecs
200 wood = 400 villsecs, so your investment paysoff a bit before your eleventh vill after the upgrade.
Yep, it takes almost nine minutes.
On paper, the investment technically snowballs considerably, but on practice, its pretty much two extra vills by the time it pays off, which is not thaaaaat great. (I mean, it is, but ur waiting 9 mins to actually see the bonus on effect!)
That said, it is not as bad as it seems, since it still is converting the wood into more useable resources, meaning that you are not that much affected on the flow of your production considering that and it isnt that much. (Oto relies more on the left over wood of your crate shipments to get the mosque upgrade, so its actually putting to use resources that would be on your bank for a while) If you like to get the mosque upgrade, you still can np as long as you arent really in need of the wood right away. Just dont get the second upgrade.
The upgrade still suks tho. Esoc team, plox buff it somehow x_x
Note:Each mosque upgrade reduces the vill training time by 6 secs, and the original training time is 48 secs.
The upgrade makes you train vills faster. This means that your vill can be gathering for those extra seconds gained.
The first vill gets 6 extra secs, while the second gets 12 secs due to the previous trained vill having been trained faster. The third will be 18 secs, and so on.
Now the math:(assuming your vills dont get idled)
48 secs since the upgrade: accumulated gain = 6 villsecs
96 secs: accumulated gain = 18 villsecs
144 secs: accumulated gain = 36 villsecs
192 secs: gain = 60 villsecs
240 secs: gain = 90 villsecs
288 secs: = 126 villsecs
336 secs = 168 villsecs
384 secs = 216 villsecs
432 secs = 270 villsecs
480 secs = 360 villsecs
528 secs = 420 villsecs
200 wood = 400 villsecs, so your investment paysoff a bit before your eleventh vill after the upgrade.
Yep, it takes almost nine minutes.
On paper, the investment technically snowballs considerably, but on practice, its pretty much two extra vills by the time it pays off, which is not thaaaaat great. (I mean, it is, but ur waiting 9 mins to actually see the bonus on effect!)
That said, it is not as bad as it seems, since it still is converting the wood into more useable resources, meaning that you are not that much affected on the flow of your production considering that and it isnt that much. (Oto relies more on the left over wood of your crate shipments to get the mosque upgrade, so its actually putting to use resources that would be on your bank for a while) If you like to get the mosque upgrade, you still can np as long as you arent really in need of the wood right away. Just dont get the second upgrade.
The upgrade still suks tho. Esoc team, plox buff it somehow x_x
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Re: Ottoman Discussion Thread
thanks for the math
but considering that for some reason you are playing otos on a no tp map, then the mosque will be built at the start for the xp, and you will have 100w banked... so its worth it imo, since its only 100w, and you get the benefict from the first minute in game time.
but considering that for some reason you are playing otos on a no tp map, then the mosque will be built at the start for the xp, and you will have 100w banked... so its worth it imo, since its only 100w, and you get the benefict from the first minute in game time.
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a passing slimey wrote:Mosque upgrade math:
Note:Each mosque upgrade reduces the vill training time by 6 secs, and the original training time is 48 secs.
The upgrade makes you train vills faster. This means that your vill can be gathering for those extra seconds gained.
The first vill gets 6 extra secs, while the second gets 12 secs due to the previous trained vill having been trained faster. The third will be 18 secs, and so on.
Now the math:(assuming your vills dont get idled)
48 secs since the upgrade: accumulated gain = 6 villsecs
96 secs: accumulated gain = 18 villsecs
144 secs: accumulated gain = 36 villsecs
192 secs: gain = 60 villsecs
240 secs: gain = 90 villsecs
288 secs: = 126 villsecs
336 secs = 168 villsecs
384 secs = 216 villsecs
432 secs = 270 villsecs
480 secs = 360 villsecs
528 secs = 420 villsecs
200 wood = 400 villsecs, so your investment paysoff a bit before your eleventh vill after the upgrade.
Yep, it takes almost nine minutes.
On paper, the investment technically snowballs considerably, but on practice, its pretty much two extra vills by the time it pays off, which is not thaaaaat great. (I mean, it is, but ur waiting 9 mins to actually see the bonus on effect!)
That said, it is not as bad as it seems, since it still is converting the wood into more useable resources, meaning that you are not that much affected on the flow of your production considering that and it isnt that much. (Oto relies more on the left over wood of your crate shipments to get the mosque upgrade, so its actually putting to use resources that would be on your bank for a while) If you like to get the mosque upgrade, you still can np as long as you arent really in need of the wood right away. Just dont get the second upgrade.
The upgrade still suks tho. Esoc team, plox buff it somehow x_x
Actually it is 5 secs faster. That being said you build the mosque anyway so it pays off in 7 mins. (i.e. 8 min mark of the game, which would make it worth it for most civs but not otto imo.)
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Re: Ottoman Discussion Thread
Actually it is 5 secs faster. That being said you build the mosque anyway so it pays off in 7 mins. (i.e. 8 min mark of the game, which would make it worth it for most civs but not otto imo.
I was going to say it was 6 on nilla, but it is actually 8... My life is a lie lol
It takes more than 7 min to pay off tho... More than nine mins since my info was off :0
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a passing slimey wrote:Actually it is 5 secs faster. That being said you build the mosque anyway so it pays off in 7 mins. (i.e. 8 min mark of the game, which would make it worth it for most civs but not otto imo.
I was going to say it was 6 on nilla, but it is actually 8... My life is a lie lol
It takes more than 7 min to pay off tho... More than nine mins since my info was off :0
Well no because it only has to pay off 100w since you get the mosque anyway on a non-tp map.
Re: Ottoman Discussion Thread
the 1st upgrade: 48s to 43s
the 2nd: 43s to 38s
the 3rd: 38s to 30s
the 2nd: 43s to 38s
the 3rd: 38s to 30s
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