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I doubt that's troo, actually. I wouldn't know though...
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Sioux doesn't need to worry about getting housed and their army costs less wood and coin.
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zoom wrote:I doubt that's troo, actually. I wouldn't know though...

Sioux ff builds are better than iro's.
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Relatively (within the civilization) speaking sure, but compared to one another? Hardly, considering how much stronker Iroquois are.
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:
Garja wrote:Iro army in age3 is better than many civs. Their shipments are as good as the sioux ones.

Why is the sioux semi better then?

Because it isn't.
Iro semi FF is like the best on RE patch and one of the best on the EP.
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Garja wrote:
[Armag] diarouga wrote:
Garja wrote:Iro army in age3 is better than many civs. Their shipments are as good as the sioux ones.

Why is the sioux semi better then?

Because it isn't.
Iro semi FF is like the best on RE patch and one of the best on the EP.

Yep, a slow semi with low eco, no cannons, really nice.
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Ye a 8 min semi with 2 tp and 10 toma and 4 kanya and 5+4 vills clearly weak.
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Garja wrote:Ye a 8 min semi with 2 tp and 10 toma and 4 kanya and 5+4 vills clearly weak.

And no steel trap.
Fre or ger semi are just better, better eco, more army.
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No way in fact iro just win that way on RE patch.
Iro on RE have best rush, best late colo (or almost), best semi ff and best semi fi.
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There is no possible way EVER that iro wins against germans with semi-ffing.
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on the RE patch they do, on EP it is probably better to just exploit the fact that you have a musket type unit in colonial to essentially force an age2 fight.
Right now, with the build I'm usually adopting, you can do essentially what French do with 700w 4v 700g.
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So you use age 2 iro on EP and age 3 iro on RE? Why not use age 3 iro on EP too since it didn't got nerfed so hard? What makes RE iro semi-ff better that it can beat suddenly beat Ger in age 3? I don't understand at all how you can survive 9 uhlan, 8 uhlan and 8 skirm+3uhlan in early fortress.
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On EP, you can definetely just straight ff (with 5 toma bb just in case) or semi ff but when Germans or Fre start with TP it is marginally inferior bo-wise. I didn't test starting TP chopping 100w. I think with that you're actually fine either way.
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I'll believe it when i see it, i have played this matchup several times and never found any way to win it. You're just outmassed in fortress at any given point in time.
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Wuangaga wrote:There is no possible way EVER that iro wins against germans with semi-ffing.

On RE? I think it should be close but in favor of Iroquois.
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Wuangaga wrote:I'll believe it when i see it, i have played this matchup several times and never found any way to win it. You're just outmassed in fortress at any given point in time.

so are you implying that Germans beat Iro on the re patch?
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Garja wrote:
Wuangaga wrote:I'll believe it when i see it, i have played this matchup several times and never found any way to win it. You're just outmassed in fortress at any given point in time.

so are you implying that Germans beat Iro on the re patch?

What the fuck. I have no idea how the fuck hed be implying that.

I am pretty sure he doubts iro semi ff beats germany on EP and RE
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Well if he is talking about EP then it's different. Still I don't think you get outmassed at any point of the game.
On RE patch you just win regardless of the strat really. That is as long as you don't get outplayed massively with raids and shit.
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Jerom wrote:
Garja wrote:
Wuangaga wrote:I'll believe it when i see it, i have played this matchup several times and never found any way to win it. You're just outmassed in fortress at any given point in time.

so are you implying that Germans beat Iro on the re patch?

What the fuck. I have no idea how the fuck hed be implying that.

I am pretty sure he doubts iro semi ff beats germany on EP and RE

Calm down. Show Il Garaja some respect!
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Garja wrote:
Wuangaga wrote:I'll believe it when i see it, i have played this matchup several times and never found any way to win it. You're just outmassed in fortress at any given point in time.

so are you implying that Germans beat Iro on the re patch?


Hes saying ger semi>iro ff or iro semi, but ofc iro just win with age 2
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Garja wrote:On EP, you can definetely just straight ff (with 5 toma bb just in case) or semi ff but when Germans or Fre start with TP it is marginally inferior bo-wise. I didn't test starting TP chopping 100w. I think with that you're actually fine either way.

You have to chop 100w to take a TP if 100w start.
And if iro vs ger is fair, how can you explain you loose all your games vs ger ? ...
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Does he now??
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on re patch iro semiff is good since they have more shipments.
but on fp it's weak.
also, iro semi is strong because your opponent is afraid of your rush(as iro rush in 90% MUs on re patch). they spend some resources on military shipments, walls, towers. so on fp they just start stable, send 5v/3sw 700g and semiff too. cuz iro can no longer rush now:)
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It's weaker for sure but I don't know that it's weak.
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Couprider wrote:on re patch iro semiff is good since they have more shipments.
but on fp it's weak.
also, iro semi is strong because your opponent is afraid of your rush(as iro rush in 90% MUs on re patch). they spend some resources on military shipments, walls, towers. so on fp they just start stable, send 5v/3sw 700g and semiff too. cuz iro can no longer rush now:)

Something weaker isn't bad.
They can still semi ff with 600w/5v/600g and then the only problem is that they miss 2 falcs.
It is definitely better than re dutch even if it's not great.

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