Spanish Discussion Thread

[drumal]

Missionary and rods buff, dont touch their eco. Save Spain uniqueness.. just make them decent at least with their own stuff

[momuuu]

@Jerom

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Yeah, but i think many of us agree Spain is the lowest tier. Ok, maybe not the worst, but near bottom. Missionary buff is sorely needed for colo, and age 3 shipments.... idk, when I think of it, if they give 5 Lancers, Spain will have op cav shipments. Maybe buff pike shipments to give people incentive to upgrade them via cards in conjunction with rods.

I personally dont think spain need a buff that badly in 1v1. Theyre kinda a one trick pony but their one trick is very decent.

[Victor_swe]

I was thinking that the wardog should get a small LOS increase.

[_DB_]

I was thinking that the wardog should get a small LOS increase.

+1

[Jaeger]

Yes and PLZZ make spain shipments arrive like 5-10 seconds faster, it would allow age 3 to be 1 vill earlier witouth idling the TC

[yurashic]

I think it would've been great for balance if you made unction active without having to send a shipment. 2100 resources for 60% more damage for your army is a big investment already, let alone sending a colonial age shipment.

You could also increase the limit for war dogs to 10 and buff 10 pikemen to 11, 7 rods to 8.

[_DB_]

10 war dogs would be op if you will have res to make it

dont need any buff in pike shipments imo, i rather want to see free vet upgrade for rods to increase their usability and also the nilla xp bonus

[forgrin]

Unction should decrease missionary cost by 50w, or just make them cost 200c. This would make it much easier to do some colonial play with Spain backed off the cost effectiveness provided by unction. The main problem with them as they are is that they cost wood and thus can't be invested in until later in the game. This wouldn't really be that good in 1v1 still I think but would make them much better in team.

Additionally I think a cool concept for Spain would be to give them a powerful coin trickle in colonial, similar in power to India's second wood trickle. This allows them to translate their shipments into eco more effectively. You could just repurpose that crappy card that gives their galleons a gold trickle for this purpose.

[Kaiserklein]

I think it would've been great for balance if you made unction active without having to send a shipment. 2100 resources for 60% more damage for your army is a big investment already, let alone sending a colonial age shipment.

You could also increase the limit for war dogs to 10 and buff 10 pikemen to 11, 7 rods to 8.

You really think that spain would be balanced with free unction, +5 dogs, +1 pike, +1 rod lol ?

[Atomiswave]

I think it would've been great for balance if you made unction active without having to send a shipment. 2100 resources for 60% more damage for your army is a big investment already, let alone sending a colonial age shipment.

You could also increase the limit for war dogs to 10 and buff 10 pikemen to 11, 7 rods to 8.

You really think that spain would be balanced with free unction, +5 dogs, +1 pike, +1 rod lol ?

Of course not, rods are already buffed which is a good decision. If you ask me, it would be nice to see 5 lancer card and maybe small pike shipment buff. Those along with unction buff will make Spain competitive again.

[drumal]

rods buffed u mean +1 shipment or there is some stats change?

[Atomiswave]

rods buffed u mean +1 shipment or there is some stats change?

Yes, I was referring to +1 shipment change.

[Jaeger]

If we're gonna buff unction please reduce the missionary train time it's pretty long

[Atomiswave]

If we're gonna buff unction please reduce the missionary train time it's pretty long

Or buff missionary stats so it doesn't die so easily.

[Garja]

Both those things are fine. Missionaries only cost bit too much. Probably they're not being changed anyway, or they may end up being changed and then probably reverted cause they will be proven OP.

[Darwin_]

I think maybe buffing the 8 pike age-up to 10, the 4 huss to 5, and make the 4 lancer shipments infinite. Maybe an XP trickle buff would also be good. For the most part, the main problem with spain is that they are an agressive civ, but are pretty slow. I think making it so that spain only has to send 1 fortress age shipment before they push woul be nice. With a 10 pike age up, 10 musks in transition, an 8 pike shipment in colonial and a 2 falc shipment, they would be pretty strong. But now, they can only push imediatley with 10 fewer pikes, and a shipment in the bank.

[momuuu]

Both those things are fine. Missionaries only cost bit too much. Probably they're not being changed anyway, or they may end up being changed and then probably reverted cause they will be proven OP.

It'd be a nice change for spain in teamgames though.

[Garja]

It's not about being nice, of course it is. Just it will be an unecessary buff.

[momuuu]

Its not unnecessary with regards to teamgames, however.

[Rikikipu]

I have started to play Spain, and I definitely think they don't need a buff, this civ seems to be totally fine atm.

[Garja]

Its not unnecessary with regards to teamgames, however.

Honestly in team games (3v3 atleast) Spain should be same if not better than 1v1. Dunno how people play it to say that they're weak in team.

[Rikikipu]

Its not unnecessary with regards to teamgames, however.

Honestly in team games (3v3 atleast) Spain should be same if not better than 1v1. Dunno how people play it to say that they're weak in team.

I think they are OK in team games, but I think they are better in 1v1 because of their composition diversity. Spanish units don't have anything special, but they fit really well together in 1V1. Meanwhile, in team games, people just tend to spamm only one unit, and there's nothing that spain can abuse. They don't really have an OP unit (like japan has ashigaru, otto has abus, germany spamm ulhan raids, mass lb brit is kinda scary too, france has cuirs etc.). The only good units they would have would be lancers, but lancers aren't great for raids which is definitely important in team games, and mostly, because team games tend to go for a lot of goons, which just rape lancers.

[Garja]

well spain huss are pretty good
I guess it's just the fact that they don't have 400w, nor good unit shipments in colo, nor fast age up so they end up just marginally beyond other euro civs

[momuuu]

Not a great eco, mediocre goons, not the greatest shipment, no fast fortress. It's basically a strictly worse brits in team games.

[Atomiswave]

Not a great eco, mediocre goons, not the greatest shipment, no fast fortress. It's basically a strictly worse brits in team games.

No ranged inf shipments, no good imp cards, Spain really falls short in current state.