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This is the Indian Discussion thread, where several topics concerning this civilization on the ESOC Patch may be discussed. We're looking for feedback on the current state of balance, from the community's standpoint.

I'm still an advocate of reducing Sepoy's HP to 180 (so the TC can 2 shot a sepoy). Thoughts?

They would get smashed even harder by fre/ger

bramboy wrote:I''m still an advocate of reducing Sepoy''s HP to 180 (so the TC can 2 shot a sepoy). Thoughts?

I would do that and increase Sepoy damage from 25 to 26 at the same time.

sepoy are bit too good for their cost. I'd say either -10 hp or +5g

garja wrote:sepoy are bit too good for their cost. I''d say either -10 hp or +5g

isnt +5 food better?

thebritish wrote:

garja wrote:sepoy are bit too good for their cost. Id say either -10 hp or +5g

isnt +5 food better?

why would it be?

britishmusketeer wrote:

thebritish wrote:isnt +5 food better?

why would it be?

well, musketeers have 3:1 food/gold cost, so, it would be dumb sepoys to have less than 2:1 food-gold cost, or maybe just put it +10 food..

thebritish wrote:

britishmusketeer wrote:why would it be?

well, musketeers have 3:1 food/gold cost, so, it would be dumb sepoys to have less than 2:1 food-gold cost, or maybe just put it +10 food..

dont focus on these little irrelevant things. Gameplay is by far the most important thing to consider.

Regarding india and aztec, Id be interesting to see how many match ups they end up winning after the patch. If they dont lose or maybe only one they might need a nerf.

imo india doesn't need any nerf or buff, they are well designed imo.

If they do.

180 HP Sepoy will kill the originality of the civ. As Garja says, +5 coin cost will be better, but then India just can't do the slow sepoy rush build that smoothly. +5 or + 10 food will be a better nerf.

Maybe nerf the team 5 urumi to team 4 urumi, infinite 9 urumi to infinite 8 urumi for 700 food.

For buff I guess give sowars +20 HP and give siege eles +4 range for guard upgrade.

I still think India needs no change.

jerom wrote:

thebritish wrote:well, musketeers have 3:1 food/gold cost, so, it would be dumb sepoys to have less than 2:1 food-gold cost, or maybe just put it +10 food..

dont focus on these little irrelevant things. Gameplay is by far the most important thing to consider.

Regarding india and aztec, Id be interesting to see how many match ups they end up winning after the patch. If they dont lose or maybe only one they might need a nerf.

I cant really talk about azzy since I havent play them enough, but from my experience they loose to fre/ger/india/sioux and azzy vs brit is 50-50.
India loose to china, japan, sioux (on the RE, it might be closer with the brs nerf), otto (even on the fp I think), dutch (on the fp) and fre/ger (on tp maps).

diarouga wrote:

jerom wrote:dont focus on these little irrelevant things. Gameplay is by far the most important thing to consider.

Regarding india and aztec, Id be interesting to see how many match ups they end up winning after the patch. If they dont lose or maybe only one they might need a nerf.

I cant really talk about azzy since I havent play them enough, but from my experience they loose to fre/ger/india/sioux and azzy vs brit is 50-50.
India loose to china, japan, sioux (on the RE, it might be closer with the brs nerf), otto (even on the fp I think), dutch (on the fp) and fre/ger (on tp maps).

From my experiences as and against aztecs, Aztecs wins vs fre/ger/sioux/india/japan with a timing (something like 700w 6 puma 10 mace 9 mace).

I agree with diarouga here.

Imo
India vs Aztec is 50-50
India vs Brit is 55-45
India China is 40-60 imo
India vs Japan is 45-55
India vs Sioux is 40-60
India vs Dutch was 55-45 without FP. On FP it is reverse, 45-55 lol
India vs otto is 30-70, on both patches. Otto's early eco is now better than India omg
India vs iro is 30-70 without FP, on FP it is 50-50 i think
India vs germany on non tp map is 55-45, on tp map it is 40-60
India vs french on non tp map is 50-50, on non tp map it is 40-60
India vs Spain is 60-40
India vs Portugal is 60-40 (on FP)
India vs Russia is 60-40

The only civs India beat are ports, russia and spain, and they don't win easy vs other.

The issue with the Sepoy isn't that the unit is too good compared to other Musketeer-units in general' it's that the unit doesn't die from 2 TC shots, IMO.

Just micro your tc to leave them at a few hp and finish them off with an explorer shpt

Not like your expl can't die

bramboy wrote:

diarouga wrote:I cant really talk about azzy since I havent play them enough, but from my experience they loose to fre/ger/india/sioux and azzy vs brit is 50-50.
India loose to china, japan, sioux (on the RE, it might be closer with the brs nerf), otto (even on the fp I think), dutch (on the fp) and fre/ger (on tp maps).

From my experiences as and against aztecs, Aztecs wins vs fre/ger/sioux/india/japan with a timing (something like 700w 6 puma 10 mace 9 mace).

I agree that they rape jap but from my experience they just loose to fre/ger/sioux/india.

diarouga wrote:

bramboy wrote:From my experiences as and against aztecs, Aztecs wins vs fre/ger/sioux/india/japan with a timing (something like 700w 6 puma 10 mace 9 mace).

I agree that they rape jap but from my experience they just loose to fre/ger/sioux/india.

Could you tell me how French wins this matchup?

bramboy wrote:

diarouga wrote:I agree that they rape jap but from my experience they just loose to fre/ger/sioux/india.

Could you tell me how French wins this matchup?

Bow/huss
Could you tell me how azzy win this MU?

we should nerf sepoy of course. they are way too strong. also we can buff their 600w 600g into 700w 700g to make their ff/sff more smooth.

diarouga wrote:

bramboy wrote:From my experiences as and against aztecs, Aztecs wins vs fre/ger/sioux/india/japan with a timing (something like 700w 6 puma 10 mace 9 mace).

I agree that they rape jap but from my experience they just loose to fre/ger/sioux/india.

sioux cant deal with aztec timing. axerider bowrider lose to mace puma easily. even you have some cetan and minutemen, aztec can just kill your warhut stable in 10 seconds and left: puma siege really op. anyway, in the new fp meta this mu is better for sioux, as cetan bow gets buff.

paul wrote:

diarouga wrote:I agree that they rape jap but from my experience they just loose to fre/ger/sioux/india.

sioux cant deal with aztec timing. axerider bowrider lose to mace puma easily. even you have some cetan and minutemen, aztec can just kill your warhut stable in 10 seconds and left: puma siege really op. anyway, in the new fp meta this mu is better for sioux, as cetan bow gets buff.

Nah sioux just rape. Fast age up 4ars+few brs raid, raid and raid and just win.

diarouga wrote:

paul wrote:sioux cant deal with aztec timing. axerider bowrider lose to mace puma easily. even you have some cetan and minutemen, aztec can just kill your warhut stable in 10 seconds and left: puma siege really op. anyway, in the new fp meta this mu is better for sioux, as cetan bow gets buff.

Nah sioux just rape. Fast age up 4ars+few brs raid, raid and raid and just win.

with puma and mace defending, are you really raiding or sending him exp?

diarouga wrote:

bramboy wrote:Could you tell me how French wins this matchup?

Bow/huss
Could you tell me how azzy win this MU?

700w 6 puma 10 mace 9 mace

Make 5 puma in your first batch and start sieging a house, leave when he is about to get a batch of musketeers or when he pops minuteman. Then just sit back and wait for 9 mace to arrive. Then you push with 11 puma + 40 mace and start mixing coys while you attack.

bramboy wrote:

diarouga wrote:Bow/huss
Could you tell me how azzy win this MU?

700w 6 puma 10 mace 9 mace

Make 5 puma in your first batch and start sieging a house, leave when he is about to get a batch of musketeers or when he pops minuteman. Then just sit back and wait for 9 mace to arrive. Then you push with 11 puma + 40 mace and start mixing coys while you attack.

you cant kill a house, huss+mm will rape your pikes and you wont be able to back.
Really this rush doesnt work, I did like 10+ azzy games vs Mitoe and rushing fre just isnt a good option.