Spanish Archaic Infantry in treaty

gustavusadolphus · Post by **gustavusadolphus** » 19 Oct 2015, 05:51

I was curious what the opinion was here about Spanish archaic infantry such as Espadas and pikemen. I find they are not very economical but do seem to provide a good shock and no not pool shock.

fightinfrenchman · Post by **fightinfrenchman** » 19 Oct 2015, 05:54

they are provide a quick shock. cheap, ineffective, walmart-ish

evilcheadar · Post by **evilcheadar** » 19 Oct 2015, 05:59

They suck, r retarted cost inefficient units. Waste all your wood.

gustavusadolphus · Post by **gustavusadolphus** » 19 Oct 2015, 06:01

evilcheadar wrote:They suck, r retarted cost inefficient units. Waste all your wood.

Espadas don''t cost wood, what about them?

evilcheadar · Post by **evilcheadar** » 19 Oct 2015, 06:02

gustavusadolphus wrote:
evilcheadar wrote:They suck, r retarted cost inefficient units. Waste all your wood.
Espadas dont cost wood, what about them?

Waste of resources/population spaces

gustavusadolphus · Post by **gustavusadolphus** » 19 Oct 2015, 06:03

evilcheadar wrote:
gustavusadolphus wrote:Espadas dont cost wood, what about them?
Waste of resources/population spaces

But why, using them tactically seems to work

fightinfrenchman · Post by **fightinfrenchman** » 19 Oct 2015, 06:04

stop trolling guys

evilcheadar · Post by **evilcheadar** » 19 Oct 2015, 06:05

gustavusadolphus wrote:
evilcheadar wrote:Waste of resources/population spaces
But why, using them tactically seems to work

Tactically the suck, musketeers fill more roles, as well as having a period bolt action rifle.

periloushare · Post by **periloushare** » 19 Oct 2015, 06:10

I'm not sure Rods are even affected by that card.

What are the non-Spanish units that can make use of this card in a team game? For China at least, Ming army and Standard army are reduced by 25%. Too bad it isn't Old Han army instead.

fightinfrenchman · Post by **fightinfrenchman** » 19 Oct 2015, 06:17

periloushare wrote:I''m not sure Rods are even affected by that card.

What are the non-Spanish units that can make use of this card in a team game? For China at least, Ming army and Standard army are reduced by 25%. Too bad it isn''t Old Han army instead.

old han army is weak... new han army knows what to do B)

gustavusadolphus · Post by **gustavusadolphus** » 19 Oct 2015, 06:18

periloushare wrote:I''m not sure Rods are even affected by that card.

What are the non-Spanish units that can make use of this card in a team game? For China at least, Ming army and Standard army are reduced by 25%. Too bad it isn''t Old Han army instead.

weather the the card effects them or not they come out pretty quick.

evilcheadar · Post by **evilcheadar** » 19 Oct 2015, 06:18

old han only good for Chinese food yummy cat/dog meat

fightinfrenchman · Post by **fightinfrenchman** » 19 Oct 2015, 06:19

evilcheadar wrote:faggot

dude not cool please stop

evilcheadar · Post by **evilcheadar** » 19 Oct 2015, 06:20

fightinfrenchman wrote:
evilcheadar wrote:faggot
dude not cool please stop

:popcorn:

Cometk · Post by **Cometk** » 19 Oct 2015, 06:20

gustavusadolphus wrote:I was curious what the opinion was here about Spanish archaic infantry such as Espadas and pikemen. I find they are not very economical but do seem to provide a good shock and no not pool shock.

rodeleros are a nice unit to fill out spain''s aggressive melee composition. they work really well with lancers and skirms.

evilcheadar · Post by **evilcheadar** » 19 Oct 2015, 06:22

cometk wrote:
gustavusadolphus wrote:I was curious what the opinion was here about Spanish archaic infantry such as Espadas and pikemen. I find they are not very economical but do seem to provide a good shock and no not pool shock.
rodeleros are a nice unit to fill out spains aggressive melee composition. they work really well with lancers and skirms.

um no rods suck in general, low siege attack no gun ect.

You want to come at me? you get rod sword I get gun.

ye you see who win

I make you fried chicken (Kentucky fry)

fightinfrenchman · Post by **fightinfrenchman** » 19 Oct 2015, 06:22

cometk wrote:
gustavusadolphus wrote:I was curious what the opinion was here about Spanish archaic infantry such as Espadas and pikemen. I find they are not very economical but do seem to provide a good shock and no not pool shock.
rodeleros are a nice unit to fill out spains aggressive melee composition. they work really well with lancers and skirms.

ive seen them used en masse in treaty game before, they didnt seem to work out well. they were easily defeated by a sioux army.

howlingwolfpaw · Post by **howlingwolfpaw** » 19 Oct 2015, 06:37

I like rods but feel they drain spain so fast in treaty. and the card doesn't effect them. I once played someone who only made tons of artillery and spammed out pike, it was actually quite difficult to fight but for reasons I cant remember he lost in the long run (this was a FFA).

evilcheadar · Post by **evilcheadar** » 19 Oct 2015, 07:02

howlingwolfpaw wrote:I like rods but feel they drain spain so fast in treaty. and the card doesn''t effect them. I once played someone who only made tons of artillery and spammed out pike, it was actually quite difficult to fight but for reasons I cant remember he lost in the long run (this was a FFA).

I want to try that.

Magnam · Post by **Magnam** » 19 Oct 2015, 09:01

The card only becomes interesting with a Brit mate who actually play with longbows. But for Spain it has no real use...

collect1onn · Post by **collect1onn** » 19 Oct 2015, 12:00

In my opinion the Arch units are just nice to troll. If you like boxes Espachias are nice to destroy Buildings / Walls. But for a real game they are useless!

Rods are a must for Spain! If you play on nats they are not that necessary. Without nats you need them. Vs. Porto / dutch they are really nice (5-15 should be enought). They bring skrims into close fight / are really fast / extreme strong vs Cav 3x damage. Better then musk bcs they are not so foodheavy.

It always depends on they way you play spain. If you play aggressive you need them. If you just camp and dont spamm lancer you could be better with musks.
With Spain its very important to have as much resources as possible at start. So dont up both.

Papist · Post by **Papist** » 19 Oct 2015, 15:47

gustavusadolphus wrote:
evilcheadar wrote:They suck, r retarted cost inefficient units. Waste all your wood.
Espadas dont cost wood, what about them?

Rods arent an archaic unit.

Archaic infantry is a waste, especially when you would be better served using your wood on natives.

gustavusadolphus · Post by **gustavusadolphus** » 19 Oct 2015, 17:29

I just really like the idea of having fast moving hand units that can keep the enemy busy. I think movement speed in some cases is often overlooked.

evilcheadar · Post by **evilcheadar** » 19 Oct 2015, 17:38

gustavusadolphus wrote:I just really like the idea of having fast moving hand units that can keep the enemy busy. I think movement speed in some cases is often overlooked.

Ah yes movement benefits a unit composition as does circulation benefits a pool. It''s good to have fast melee units, however pikes are not the answer.

fightinfrenchman · Post by **fightinfrenchman** » 19 Oct 2015, 17:39

evilcheadar wrote:
gustavusadolphus wrote:I just really like the idea of having fast moving hand units that can keep the enemy busy. I think movement speed in some cases is often overlooked.
Ah yes movement benefits a unit composition as does circulation benefits a pool. Its good to have fast melee units, however pikes are not the answer.

If you want fast hand infantry units play germ and spam dopps

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