TOTW #3: Not using hussars to counter lancers sometimes in treaty is bad

[evilcheadar]

Lancers have low base hand damage so guess what? Hussars can beat them fairly well! There's around a 20 damage difference so feel free to counter lancers with some hussar. The lancers won't get a bonus vs your cav even tho they are kind of like mounted pikemen.

[gustavusadolphus]

What about port hussars !?!??!?!?!!?

[evilcheadar]

What about port hussars !?!??!?!?!!?

Use em' they have ~64 damage where lancers have ~44

[EAGLEMUT]

I think this tip applies to supremacy as well.

[evilcheadar]

I think this tip applies to supremacy as well.

Yep thought of that a minute after I posted

[pecelot]

The lancers won't get a bonus vs your cav even tho they are kind of like mounted pikemen.

Are lancers mounted pikemen? lol

[momuuu]

yeah lancers are specialist cav so they do meh against hussars. Just like naginatas, sowars, mahout and iron flails (and maybe also steppes too? those suck in general) get countered (albeit softcountered) by hussars. Ranged cav is still the most efficient answer but hussars indeed do surprisingly well.

[evilcheadar]

The lancers won't get a bonus vs your cav even tho they are kind of like mounted pikemen.

Are lancers mounted pikemen? lol

A pike is different from a lance I'm pretty sure but they're both long sharpshish things so why not call them mounted pikemen. Also I like to think of gendarmes as mounted doppelsoldners

[iNcog]

yeah lancers are specialist cav so they do meh against hussars. Just like naginatas, sowars, mahout and iron flails (and maybe also steppes too? those suck in general) get countered (albeit softcountered) by hussars. Ranged cav is still the most efficient answer but hussars indeed do surprisingly well.

sensible post

[gustavusadolphus]

Historical speaking a Pike is much longer then the ones presented in game with Swiss pikenen having the longest Pike's. I know slightly more modern Lance's had a much smaller point, however those lancers did not have armor like the ones in game.

[gustavusadolphus]

Here is an interesting image of some lancers of the US civil war.

[Jaeger]

Here is an interesting image of some lancers of the US civil war.

They probably didnt have armor for the same reasons none of the other soldiers had armor, which is the innefectiveness of armor against guns

[gustavusadolphus]

Here is an interesting image of some lancers of the US civil war.

They probably didnt have armor for the same reasons none of the other soldiers had armor, which is the innefectiveness of armor against guns

yesh just wanted to show the sharp comparison in tech the game displays.

[deuxballesman]

yeah lancers are specialist cav so they do meh against hussars. Just like naginatas, sowars, mahout and iron flails (and maybe also steppes too? those suck in general) get countered (albeit softcountered) by hussars. Ranged cav is still the most efficient answer but hussars indeed do surprisingly well.

Opris have the same problem you never wanna engage smth that isn't a vil or a building

[momuuu]

yeah lancers are specialist cav so they do meh against hussars. Just like naginatas, sowars, mahout and iron flails (and maybe also steppes too? those suck in general) get countered (albeit softcountered) by hussars. Ranged cav is still the most efficient answer but hussars indeed do surprisingly well.

Opris have the same problem you never wanna engage smth that isn't a vil or a building

Dont they have a bonus against artillery?

[P i k i l i c]

Dont they have a bonus against artillery?

Yes oprichniks have *2 against artillery and siege units

[deuxballesman]

Yes but i would try to flank canons with opris. If you find two canons isolated (that shouldn't happen but who knows) kill them! Opris are cav after all.
My point was don't engage a fight with opris. (Canon vs cav is hardly one)

[pecelot]

The lancers won't get a bonus vs your cav even tho they are kind of like mounted pikemen.

Are lancers mounted pikemen? lol

A pike is different from a lance I'm pretty sure but they're both long sharpshish things so why not call them mounted pikemen. Also I like to think of gendarmes as mounted doppelsoldners

Yeah, in these terms of course, I thought about the game context, where pikemen are good against cavalry while lancers aren't, although in reality — as you mentioned — you can call them „mounted pikemen".

yeah lancers are specialist cav so they do meh against hussars. Just like naginatas, sowars, mahout and iron flails (and maybe also steppes too? those suck in general) get countered (albeit softcountered) by hussars. Ranged cav is still the most efficient answer but hussars indeed do surprisingly well.

Opris have the same problem you never wanna engage smth that isn't a vil or a building

They are also useful in situations when hand cav just rek, no matter what the stats are, like against bare skirms.

[deuxballesman]

Even against bare skirms i wouldn't use opris too much they are best kept hidden as much as you can and tgen raid like crazy with it. In sup you rarely have more than 10 opri at a time and this amount don't do well at all even against 25-30 skirm due to their very low attack

[pecelot]

Yeah, but sometimes you can catch opponent's batch of skirms, espiecially when you raid near his base. I've played recently against some Russ and 6 opris shipment in fortress wasn't that rare I have to admit.

[dicktator_]

Lancers have low base hand damage so guess what? Hussars can beat them fairly well! There's around a 20 damage difference so feel free to counter lancers with some hussar. The lancers won't get a bonus vs your cav even tho they are kind of like mounted pikemen.

Hussars actually do kill lancers really well, even port hussars do ok. If your opponent mixes rods and/or huamincas properly you'll have a problem though.

[evilcheadar]

Lancers have low base hand damage so guess what? Hussars can beat them fairly well! There's around a 20 damage difference so feel free to counter lancers with some hussar. The lancers won't get a bonus vs your cav even tho they are kind of like mounted pikemen.

Hussars actually do kill lancers really well, even port hussars do ok. If your opponent mixes rods and/or huamincas properly you'll have a problem though.

Yesh that's why I made the tip!