The only civs without this unit type. or should we give brits imperial pikemen?

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The only civs without this unit type. or should we give brits imperial pikemen?

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Let us examine Brits and Iros. They are the only civs lacking a dedicated imperial status hand attack heavy infantry. Though they have a niche roll the units are pretty handy sometimes and maybe we should consider giving them imperial pikemen. Especially for brits that would have used them a lot in battle and considering how hard it can be to use muskets in melee with their slower speed (after church tech). This would help balance them to civs like spain where brits really could use a better meat shield vs lancers.

Iros could get a native warrior since pike do not make sense for them. (ironwood?)

As we make he patch for better balance we tend to be taking away some of the civs major strengths (like iros now having less cannon, being less effective vs anti inf, need better anti cav) perhalps then we should consider balancing the game in appropriate counter units.
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Why would brit need imp pikemen with musket on roids? Brits strength vs spain are muskets, because they shit on lancers

Pikemen/Halbediers are almost never an option, because a musket performs most of the time better and is more versatile and if you dont have muskets as a civ, you rather go for goons anyways.
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well muskets are pretty decent if you put them in melee as noted, but not as fast and more expensive.

I personally just like melee units and even halbs have their place sometimes. Goons while decent units do no where near the DPS of melee to knock out cav, and are useful to flank or push out other goons.

spain the only civ that gets imperial pikemen is pretty redundant with Rods.
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what do you mean British don't have any dedicated imperial status hand attack heavy infantry, why would Brits want pike, pike literally suck vs everything except cav, and will even lose to cav in smaller numbers. Musk's > Cav in melee, and can also do good vs goon in a mass, also musks can rek skirm if the skirms are caught in an awkward position. Also don't Brits have the best Hussar in the game? and imperial LB which reck everything, honestly Brits don't need pike, seeing as they are a shit unit anyway, and they aren't even THAT MUCH cheaper considering its easier for Brits to gather food and a bit of gold then wood and food.
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I love it when supremacy players comment in a thread in the treaty forum, completely oblivious to the fact that this is treaty, not supremacy.
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Even in treaty I don't think the British need pikeman. If we just nerf all the strengths from each civ, then what would be the point of playing another civ? I don't see why you can't use the super-musks as uber-pikeman anyway. Maybe I need to broaden my horizon beyond Orinoco
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Mr_Bramboy wrote:I love it when supremacy players comment in a thread in the treaty forum, completely oblivious to the fact that this is treaty, not supremacy.

But Sup > TR
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Even if I had imperiel tercio pikemen with all 3 hand inf cards as Brits I would still make musketeers. Also pikemen as meatshield? Pls. Also Brit needing more advantages over Spain than they already have? Pls.

And to Iros: Tomas are like a musketeer with lower ranged damage but the highest melee damage of all musketeer units, so they're probably a little hybrid of musketeers and halbs? If I remember correctly they have like 59 ranged damage and 44 melee damage fully upgraded+attack dance while imperial redcoats have 58 ranged dmg and 37 (?) melee damage. Oh and remember tomas have 2 more range than any other musketeer aswell.
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Lukas_L99 wrote:Oh and remember tomas have 2 more range than any other musketeer aswell.

Pretty sure they don't.

Edit: Nvm, they do with warhut BB.
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Mr_Bramboy wrote:I love it when supremacy players comment in a thread in the treaty forum, completely oblivious to the fact that this is treaty, not supremacy.


what is treaty?
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umeu wrote:
Mr_Bramboy wrote:I love it when supremacy players comment in a thread in the treaty forum, completely oblivious to the fact that this is treaty, not supremacy.


what is treaty?


The superior and harder game-mode in Age of Empires 3 obviously.
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treaty > rush
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Why use pikes as meatshields when you have royal guard musks and huss?
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Mr_Bramboy wrote:I love it when supremacy players comment in a thread in the treaty forum, completely oblivious to the fact that this is treaty, not supremacy.

I mean veteran pikes in treaty all the time man
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@howlingwolfpaw We really do appreciate the ideas you put forth as you are obviously trying to better the game and help us with difficult patch decisions :). Unfortunately everyone is right on this one, their is no need to give Brit or Iro a good hand attack unit because they already have one, as well as Brits certainly do not need a buff in any way shape or form. Keep posting ideas though! Thank you.
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charlemagen wrote:@howlingwolfpaw We really do appreciate the ideas you put forth as you are obviously trying to better the game and help us with difficult patch decisions :). Unfortunately everyone is right on this one, their is no need to give Brit or Iro a good hand attack unit because they already have one, as well as Brits certainly do not need a buff in any way shape or form. Keep posting ideas though! Thank you.



Yeah I know I wasn't expecting anyone to really get on board with it, but like to propose ideas to bring life to forum and make people think and question why certain things are the way they are.

For instance many civs do not have a musket.... should those civs get them? well maybe maybe not. I could only imagine how much better Germany would be with them. maybe then dutch would not even make ryuters, as well as gerany not needing dopples.

or aztecs and sioux with artillery....

but still though I think brits historically should get imperial pikemen.
and iros would definitely have some kind of melee inf as well I think.
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howlingwolfpaw wrote:
charlemagen wrote:@howlingwolfpaw We really do appreciate the ideas you put forth as you are obviously trying to better the game and help us with difficult patch decisions :). Unfortunately everyone is right on this one, their is no need to give Brit or Iro a good hand attack unit because they already have one, as well as Brits certainly do not need a buff in any way shape or form. Keep posting ideas though! Thank you.



and iros would definitely have some kind of melee inf as well I think.


So wait, a guy with an axe isn't a melee infantry? He just happens to throw it as well.
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not its not the same obviously.

all units other than artillery and monks have a melee attack.
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howlingwolfpaw wrote:but still though I think brits historically should get imperial pikemen.
and iros would definitely have some kind of melee inf as well I think.

Seriously, as a historian I get triggered every time someone says the word ''Historical''.
What does that even mean?
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