umeu wrote:But the distinction made by nationalism is really fictional. Tribalism atleast has the actual bond of family ties and shared experience. Nationalism isnt even really cultural anymore.
a shared history and language aren't fictional
umeu wrote:But the distinction made by nationalism is really fictional. Tribalism atleast has the actual bond of family ties and shared experience. Nationalism isnt even really cultural anymore.
umeu wrote:But nationalism isnt about language, and sharing a history is pretty fictional when its not a family history. Its only not fictional if you already bought into the fiction of nationalism
Laurence Drake wrote:umeu wrote:But nationalism isnt about language, and sharing a history is pretty fictional when its not a family history. Its only not fictional if you already bought into the fiction of nationalism
nobody buys into nationalism voluntarily. it's a social constraint that exercises itself on people all the time.
gibson wrote:Macron will win in a blowout. Seems like an excellent candidate from what little iv seen. Right leaning on government regulation of business and left leaning on basically everything else. Le pen on the other hand would be awful. I find nationalism in general to be useless and borderline neanderthalic. It createds an "us vs them" mentality which is generally bad.
gibson wrote:Didn't melechom endorse macron though?
kami_ryu wrote:1. fuck europe
2. fuck brown people
3. fuck turbans
4. fuck the €
5. fuck everyone except the french
Doesn't seem like a nice candidate to me. I like you personally riki, but I cannot fathom why anyone would buy into such a shitty program. She seems to spread distrust and hate more than anything else. I see European Union as a boon to European countries as well as a boon to the USA who is a great trading partner with EU. I don't see why anyone would want out. Reform things which need reforming, yes. However the free circulation of goods and people in Europe is great.
Macron seems to be like another Hollande except he won't even get a majority to work with.
kami_ryu wrote:Correlation and causality aren't necessarily the same. I'm just saying that in face of a graph.
I'll look more into it later.
fightinfrenchman wrote:Macron better win to show the world that neoliberalism is OP
How does it show that? The global economy went to shit in 2008, this had nothing to do with the €.Rikikipu wrote:This an example that shows that being anti-euro is not that stupid :
Translation : Industrial production of Germany, Italy, Spain and France during the time
Rikikipu wrote:@Goodspeed well the point wasn't to show the crisis time in 2008, but when the € is created, Germany industrial production was the last in these 4 countries, and just after the € is created it becomes first. We see a big boom for Germany whereas as the same time, France and Spain starts decreasing their production, and Italia growth becomes slower.
Rikikipu wrote:fightinfrenchman wrote:Macron better win to show the world that neoliberalism is OP
neoliberalism was already what we got with hollande
bwinner1 wrote:Rikikipu wrote:@Goodspeed well the point wasn't to show the crisis time in 2008, but when the € is created, Germany industrial production was the last in these 4 countries, and just after the € is created it becomes first. We see a big boom for Germany whereas as the same time, France and Spain starts decreasing their production, and Italia growth becomes slower.
So you wanted to show a graph where we can't conclude anything to show that euro is not obviously good on every pictures you can find, very good argument^^
bwinner1 wrote:Yep and that's also what they've got in Germany, the 2 best economy on your graph, so that may not be so bad ?
Goodspeed wrote:How does it show that? The global economy went to shit in 2008, this had nothing to do with the €.Rikikipu wrote:This an example that shows that being anti-euro is not that stupid :
Translation : Industrial production of Germany, Italy, Spain and France during the time
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