England maybe leave EU june 23.

[Laurence Drake]

'Britain's Bernie Sanders' lel

[Zhanson10]

GO BREXIT!

[Dolan]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... must-leave

So a far right party is leading in the polls in the Netherlands.

[momuuu]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-14/dutch-populist-wilders-says-eu-finished-netherlands-must-leave

So a far right party is leading in the polls in the Netherlands.

Which is okay. He will only get to do things when he gets 50% of the votes. Which is hard if you have 10 parties that are being voted on. Its just that stupid NL all votes on his retarded party while the rest of NL spreads their votes out.

He has about 35/150 seeds in polls. So much for that article's credibility.

[Dolan]

They seem to be leading in the latest poll data:



https://www.ipsos-nederland.nl/ipsos-pol ... deze-week/

[momuuu]

Yes but not by enough. Once they get 50 or so they might get a say in things.

[Dolan]

Well neither of the other two big parties have anything close to 50% and they have the power right now. So, it all depends on which party would want to create a coallition government with PVV.

[Laurence Drake]

Looks like our next prime minister is going to be unelected. I bet the brexiteers are really happy with their 'democracy'.

[iNcog]

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[Laurence Drake]

Boris Johnson is our foreign secretary? Boris FUCKING Johnson?

You can't make this shit up.

[spanky4ever]

Looks like our next prime minister is going to be unelected. I bet the brexiteers are really happy with their 'democracy'.

A wild guess you are an american?? I would say you are out on a limb - bending down. USA is where everything happens first. You will Get the shanges first! Buccle up!

[Laurence Drake]

Looks like our next prime minister is going to be unelected. I bet the brexiteers are really happy with their 'democracy'.

A wild guess you are an american?? I would say you are out on a limb - bending down. USA is where everything happens first. You will Get the shanges first! Buccle up!

what are you even talking about?

[jamesmp98]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-14/dutch-populist-wilders-says-eu-finished-netherlands-must-leave

So a far right party is leading in the polls in the Netherlands.

What is considered far right in the Netherlands

[spanky4ever]

Looks like our next prime minister is going to be unelected. I bet the brexiteers are really happy with their 'democracy'.

A wild guess you are an american?? I would say you are out on a limb - bending down. USA is where everything happens first. You will Get the shanges first! Buccle up!

what are you even talking about?

If you are not dumd or defh - you maybe one of the few not getting the message that things ARE changing. USA will feel the worst - cos u r the worst - and the first when changes are happening.

[Dolan]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-14/dutch-populist-wilders-says-eu-finished-netherlands-must-leave

So a far right party is leading in the polls in the Netherlands.

What is considered far right in the Netherlands

I think this party PVV led by Geert Wilders is a far right party. Just google him and you'll see his views.

[jamesmp98]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-14/dutch-populist-wilders-says-eu-finished-netherlands-must-leave

So a far right party is leading in the polls in the Netherlands.

What is considered far right in the Netherlands

I think this party PVV led by Geert Wilders is a far right party. Just google him and you'll see his views.

He seems decent. IDK why the Brits want to ban people who's politics they don't like.

[Laurence Drake]

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MoHS_GK4dM[/video]

Dave goes out in style.

[Dolan]

That's the only thing he did in style. He pretty much nuked his reputation as a politician when he proposed the referendum. He basically single-handedly finished his own career as a politician, by starting a process which will make the UK a less significant country in the years to come.

I expect Scotland to eventually leave the UK. Northern Ireland probably won't make it, since support for Remain won't be a sufficient political motive for Ireland republicans to want to split with the kingdom. Unionism is still quite strong in Northern Ireland. Most of the population doesn't support an independent or re-unified Ireland. But Scotland... is another story.

So Cameron and May will be remembered as the PMs who unravelled the kingdom and took it out of the EU, by failing to be leaders when the situation required them to be leaders. They were just followers, letting populistic fears decide the future of a country.

[Le Dragon]

I like how lefties will try to blame anyone but the voters themselves for the outcome of the referendum.

Cameron's referendum was a reckless act of direct democracy. But nothing in his power could have made 17 million people vote to leave the EU.

[Dolan]

I ain't no leftie, m8. You're mistaking me for someone else. Maybe your wires are programmed to identify points of view only in 2 dichotomic ways: left, right, left, right.

I think it can objectively be argued that the UK leaving the EU will do damage to the country. Both in economic ways and in political ways (Scotland will most likely push for a new referendum). And it was Cameron's gamble, he gambled! He thought he would never lose the referendum, but he did. I think pretty much everyone in the political elite of the UK was hoping the referendum would be nothing but a scare, something to scare the EU with and then go back to business as usual. But after they saw that voters took it even more seriously than themselves, politicians were slowly waking up to the fact that they screwed their own country's future and now just have to scramble for some quick plans. Pathetic. The UK had no plan if the Leave vote were to win.

[Le Dragon]

I ain't no leftie, m8. You're mistaking me for someone else. Maybe your wires are programmed to identify points of view only in 2 dichotomic ways: left, right, left, right.

I think it can objectively be argued that the UK leaving the EU will do damage to the country. Both in economic ways and in political ways (Scotland will most likely push for a new referendum). And it was Cameron's gamble, he gambled! He thought he would never lose the referendum, but he did. I think pretty much everyone in the political elite of the UK was hoping the referedum would be nothing but a scare, something to scare the EU with and then go back to business as usual. But after they saw that voters took it even more seriously than themselves, politicians were slowly waking up to the fact that they screwed their own country's future and now just have to scramble for some quick plans. Pathetic. The UK had no plan if the Leave vote were to win.

You're right on all those points, except when you hold Cameron responsible for the outcome.

[Dolan]

Well nobody forced him to commit to holding a referendum. It was his choice. He caved in to populistic pressures.

I bet he thought he would never lose a referendum, that's why he called it. He thought he can fool everyone: he can appease the populists, he can threaten the EU with the prospect of a Leave vote and get even more "special status" concessions from the EU, and he can gain votes from populists by posing as a "neutral guy" who will do whatever the electorate wants. That's not what a leader should do. He just gambled with the referendum, really. No big leader would kick himself in the foot like that.

Of course, in simplistic causation terms, the population voted to Leave, but there has been a lot going on before that, which lead to this outcome. And that is largely also Cameron's doing.

[Le Dragon]

Well nobody forced him to commit to holding a referendum. It was his choice. He caved in to populistic pressures.

I bet he thought he would never lose a referendum, that's why he called it. He thought he can fool everyone: he can appease the populists, he can threaten the EU with the prospect of a Leave vote and get even more "special status" concessions from the EU, and he can gain votes from populists by posing as a "neutral guy" who will do whatever the electorate wants. That's not what a leader should do. He just gambled with the referendum, really. No big leader would kick himself in the foot like that.

Of course, in simplistic causation terms, the population voted to Leave, but there has been a lot going on before that, which lead to this outcome. And that is largely also Cameron's doing.

Cameron gave voters the option to decide on Britain's fate in the EU. He didn't interfere with the voting process or knowingly manipulate public opinion. In 'simplistic causation terms', the outcome of the referendum would not have happened if he had not called it in the first place. But blaming him for the outcome is like blaming the iceberg for sinking the titanic.

[iNcog]

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[Dolan]

Cameron gave voters the option to decide on Britain's fate in the EU. He didn't interfere with the voting process or knowingly manipulate public opinion. In 'simplistic causation terms', the outcome of the referendum would not have happened if he had not called it in the first place. But blaming him for the outcome is like blaming the iceberg for sinking the titanic.

Well, to quote Putin, why would a leader ever call a referendum he knew he would lose... Anyway, Cameron had other choices, but I think he just wanted to stick more to power and not lose many seats in the House of Commons to populistic parties. So he gave them the referendum choice, to appease them and not lose votes to UKIP & Co.
"The people" who decided the outcome were not the most informed about the consequences. A knee-jerk reaction of 52% of participant voters to the migration problem decided the future of Britain for decades to come. Sounds like the right way of deciding the future of your country for the long term.