Trump - Russia connection

[IvanBomba]

And the tin foil hat of the year goes to...noel.

[Goodspeed]

Meh clickbait did you see what was actually said? Not that shocking. Something about people staying in touch, building political relations globally. It makes a lot of sense. Your assumptions:
- Russia is the source of hacked emails
- Contact between Trump people and Russia have been about these emails, not about the other gazillion things they could be discussing

[Goodspeed]

Russia is the source, at least per the US DOD.

What are you basing this on?
And more importantly what are you basing the second assumption on?

[JakeyBoyTH]

"We can say that the Russian government is not the source" - Julian Assange

my source https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sbT3_9 ... 192.459208.

[Dolan]

Russia is the source, at least per the US DOD.

What are you basing this on?
And more importantly what are you basing the second assumption on?

https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears- ... committee/

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/us/po ... .html?_r=1

But take into account that the CIA will not overtly accuse Russia of conducting cyber attacks, since that would imply putting more ice on a relation that is already cold.

[iNcog]

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[Laurence Drake]

Trump and Putin will rule the universe side-by-side

[Dolan]

Apropos of Russia, the peaceful state that wants nothing but cooperation etc etc

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... negro-coup

[JakeyBoyTH]

I'd post some other links but I'd be accused of supporting the liberal media so I'll let it be

NBC literally kept predicting a Hillary win right up until the end. There about as bias as it gets. I'll never trust the American media again after this election.

as for the NY times article, it speaks for itself: "Campaign officials have also suggested that Mr. Putin could be trying to tilt the election to Donald J. Trump. But they acknowledge that they have no evidence."

Propaganda is alive and well. *puts on tin foil hat*

[milku3459]

Noel gotta ban himself for discussing cheating

But honestly isn't this just left-wing ?
Remember how before the election Trump was calling h4x on everything and the Democrats laughed at him for being paranoid?
Now that the Democrats got rekt they are still trying to contest the election results or at least sour the victory. They are doing the very thing (not accepting election results nicely) that Trump drew so much flak for, the difference being that Trump didn't while the democrats did.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pre ... eat-to-our
hillary slamz trump for not wanting to accept results.

[Dolan]

U.S. intelligence officials now believe with "a high level of confidence" that Russian President Vladimir Putin became personally involved in the covert Russian campaign to interfere in the U.S. presidential election, senior U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News.

Two senior officials with direct access to the information say new intelligence shows that Putin personally directed how hacked material from Democrats was leaked and otherwise used. The intelligence came from diplomatic sources and spies working for U.S. allies, the officials said.

Putin's objectives were multifaceted, a high-level intelligence source told NBC News. What began as a "vendetta" against Hillary Clinton morphed into an effort to show corruption in American politics and to "split off key American allies by creating the image that [other countries] couldn't depend on the U.S. to be a credible global leader anymore," the official said.

Ultimately, the CIA has assessed, the Russian government wanted to elect Donald Trump. The FBI and other agencies don't fully endorse that view, but few officials would dispute that the Russian operation was intended to harm Clinton's candidacy by leaking embarrassing emails about Democrats.

The latest intelligence said to show Putin's involvement goes much further than the information the U.S. was relying on in October, when all 17 intelligence agencies signed onto a statement attributing the Democratic National Committee hack to Russia.

The statement said officials believed that "only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities." That was an intelligence judgment based on an understanding of the Russian system of government, which Putin controls with absolute authority.

Now the U.S has solid information tying Putin to the operation, the intelligence officials say. Their use of the term "high confidence" implies that the intelligence is nearly incontrovertible.

"It is most certainly consistent with the Putin that I have watched and used to work with when I was an ambassador and in the government," said Michael McFaul, who was ambassador to Russia from 2012 to 2014.

"He has had a vendetta against Hillary Clinton, that has been known for a long time because of what she said about his elections back in the parliamentary elections of 2011. He wants to discredit American democracy and make us weaker in terms of leading the liberal democratic order. And most certainly he likes President-elect Trump's views on Russia," McFaul added. Clinton cast doubt on the integrity of Russia's elections.

As part of contingency planning for potential retaliation against Russia, according to officials, U.S. intelligence agencies have stepped up their probing into his personal financial empire.

American officials have concluded that Putin's network controls some $85 billion worth of assets, officials told NBC News.

Neither the CIA nor the Office of the Director of National Intelligence would comment.

A former CIA official who worked on Russia told NBC News that it's not clear the U.S. can embarrass Putin, given that many Russians are already familiar with allegations he has grown rich through corruption and has ordered the killings of political adversaries.

But a currently serving U.S. intelligence official said that there are things Putin is sensitive about, including anything that makes him seem weak.

The former CIA official said the Obama administration may feel compelled to respond before it leaves office.

"This whole thing has heated up so much," he said. "I can very easily see them saying, `We can't just say wow, this was terrible and there's nothing we can do.'"

[Metis]

The FBI said that there was no hacking, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence said that there was no hacking. Only the CIA says that there was hacking. Congress summoned the CIA to a briefing session yesterday but the CIA refused to show up. It seems to me that there are some CIA-based disinformation shenanigans going on. The Obama Administration has routinely either been unable to control its agencies or has used them for partisan politics. Remember the IRS targeting of GOP non-profit groups? Of course an "internal investigation" revealed that no targeting was being done. Right.

[deleted_user0]

The latest intelligence said to show Putin's involvement goes much further than the information the U.S. was relying on in October, when all 17 intelligence agencies signed onto a statement attributing the Democratic National Committee hack to Russia.


so whats that then?

[Dolan]

Which agency has the best capabilities in terms of monitoring and collecting internet data in the USA?

Could that be the NSA?

The NSA Chief Says Russia Hacked the 2016 Election. Congress Must Investigate.

On Tuesday, the director of the National Security Agency, Admiral Michael Rogers, was asked about the WikiLeaks release of hacked information during the campaign, and he said, "This was a conscious effort by a nation-state to attempt to achieve a specific effect." He added, "This was not something that was done casually. This was not something that was done by chance. This was not a target that was selected purely arbitrarily."

This was a stunning statement that has echoed other remarks from senior US officials. He was saying that Russia directly intervened in the US election to obtain a desired end: presumably to undermine confidence in US elections or to elect Donald Trump—or both. Rogers was clearly accusing Vladimir Putin of meddling with American democracy.

Adm. Michael Rogers Leading Candidate to Be Trump’s Director of National Intelligence

So, a guy that Trump trusts as his next chief of national intelligence said elections were hacked by a nation state.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nsa-chief-a ... -election/

“There shouldn’t be any doubts in anybody’s mind: This was not something that was done casually, this was not something that was done by chance, this was not a target that was selected purely arbitrarily,” Rogers said at a Wall Street Journal election forum on Tuesday. “This was a conscious effort by a nation state to attempt to achieve a specific effect.”

Rogers is most likely referencing Russia, since U.S. officials have already openly accused Russia of hacking into the Democratic National Committee’s internal email server in July. Similar “spearfishing” tactics were attempted, according to U.S. intelligence officials, in the breaching of Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s personal Gmail account. WikiLeaks distributed nearly 50,000 emails, revealing Clinton campaign strategy on everything from possible campaign slogans to the handling of the Clinton Foundation should the former secretary of state have been elected president.

[Metis]

My attitude on any purported "hack" is "so what"? It's not like the Russians are actually changing votes. What's happening is that Hillary's corruption is coming to light. About all the "corruption" the Democrats could find on Trump was that he bragged that some bimbo once let him grab her pussy. They ran that ad hundreds of times on local TV here. The recounts in the "Stein" states actually gave votes to Trump and other states that were examined after the vote sometimes showed that there were thousands of illegal votes for Clinton. Take Nevada and Colorado, for example, where hundreds of dead people voted Democrat.

[Dolan]

Well, personally, I don't care, it's not my country, I'm just commenting from afar. But, imo, what is at issue is not so much the outcome (which may or may not have been vitiated) as whether the US electoral system has been hacked by Russia.

If I'm not mistaken the intelligence sources mentioned that both parties were hacked, but the information disclosed on public channels was only about one party. Which made them believe there was a purpose behind these attacks, that the target was one party or, more clearly put, the hacking was supposed to favour one candidate (Trump).

An investigation by the Congress has been launched, backed by both parties, so hopefully that will amount to more than vague accusations.

On the other hand, it seemed to me intelligence agencies from USA which came to this conclusion don't want to jump to accusations, since it's close to impossible to prove a direct link between the hacking groups that were used as mercenaries and Russian authorities. And the intelligence are probably thinking: What do we achieve if we launch public accusations? Do we make things worse or do we solve anything? Should we just launch covert operations to retaliate or should we do something publicly about this?

There are some strategic choices about whether you want to tackle this issue confrontationally with Russia because you think your superpower status is being threatened or you don't want to do that because this will have a negative effect on other issues on which officially you're cooperating with them.

I'm sure these things are put into balance right now by US authorities.

[deleted_user0]

My attitude on any purported "hack" is "so what"? It's not like the Russians are actually changing votes. What's happening is that Hillary's corruption is coming to light. About all the "corruption" the Democrats could find on Trump was that he bragged that some bimbo once let him grab her pussy. They ran that ad hundreds of times on local TV here. The recounts in the "Stein" states actually gave votes to Trump and other states that were examined after the vote sometimes showed that there were thousands of illegal votes for Clinton. Take Nevada and Colorado, for example, where hundreds of dead people voted Democrat.

hahahah yes, its ofc the bimbo's fault that he grabbed her pussy. she totally let him do that. she shouldve kicked him in the nuts the moment she met him ofc =_= oh metis, youre a class act.

goes fighting in every war to protect the usa democracy, that democracy gets hacked by a dictatorship, he's like, who gives a rats ass. Brilliant. Imagine if Putin was communist tho, I bet poor ole Metis wouldve been all riled up

[Metis]

I'm all for revealing government corruption whenever and wherever you can find it. It's too bad that someone didn't leak the truth on GWB's "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction" until after we got mired in a never-ending war there. A government must, of course, keep some secrets. However, the US government purports to be one "of the people and for the people" and should be held to as much of a condition of transparency as possible. Also, don't think for a minute that the US, itself, isn't actively working in cyberspace to make sure that other countries elect or install leaders that are friendly to our best self interests.

[Dolan]

Yeah, I've always criticised the US for messing with other countries' governments. But the fact that the US does it doesn't excuse Russia for doing it too.

In fact, if you have to pick your poison, would you pick an authoritarian regime like Russia messing with another country's elections or a country like the US, which at least you can openly criticise and publicly shame? Both types of interventions are bad, but USA cares more about its image than Russia, so at least criticising the US is more likely to have an effect than criticising/shaming Russia.

[Laurence Drake]

could b

[Dolan]

Also on Thursday, a security firm said a Russian-speaking hacker had penetrated systems at the US agency which certifies voting systems .
In early December, the hacker tried to sell more than 100 login credentials from the US Election Assistance Commission, the firm Recorded Future said.
The company said its researchers discovered the breach when monitoring underground electronic markets, and posed as a potential buyer to engage the hacker in conversation, before alerting law enforcement agencies.
Mr Trump has accused the Democrats of fabricating Russian involvement to hide their embarrassment at the election defeat.
He has also long expressed admiration for Mr Putin, and his pick for secretary of state - oil tycoon Rex Tillerson, who has worked closely with the Russian leader - has raised concerns.

https://www.recordedfuture.com/rasputin-eac-breach/

Russian-Speaking Hacker Selling Access to the US Election Assistance Commission

On December 1, 2016, Recorded Future identified chatter related to a suspected breach of the U.S. Election Assistance Commission (EAC).
Recorded Future engaged the Russian-speaking actor (referred to as “Rasputin” in this research) to assess the full scope of the unauthorized access, and provided all relevant information to federal law enforcement.
Further analysis identified more than 100 potentially compromised access credentials, including some with administrative privileges.
Rasputin offered to sell an unpatched system vulnerability to a Middle Eastern government broker.
Recorded Future successfully attributed the EAC breach to Rasputin.

Related: Database of 191 million U.S. voters exposed on Internet: researcher

[momuuu]

To me it appears like russia is using the only real advantage they have over the western world quite nicely. With their complete lack of any integrity they sabotage the western world as much as they can, which is something the western world can't really fight or do to russia due to the countries in it possessing integrity.

[noissance]

The problem is that the western world's electorate is filled with naive people who believe everything the media tells them. This makes outside influences more prone to success in their target country, particularly the U.S, as we have a lot of "feelings" driven people who ignore math and science.

[Laurence Drake]

yeah, screw people for trying to make sense of the world

[Dolan]

I gather you guys haven't heard of "post-truth" politics.