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United States of America alistairpeter
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17 Jul 2017, 00:26

If I know im going against a brit who sends VC, is it even worth tearing down their houses? The odds of housing them seem low, since their start revolves around building a ton of houses anyway, so destroying them just allows them to get more villies out. Is my thinking in this scenario wrong? I mean unless you can't destroy enough to pop them it does not seem worth it. But even tjen, destroying 5 houses means 5 more villagers
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17 Jul 2017, 00:34

Not worth unless you're Azz and get dat sweet xp bonus.
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17 Jul 2017, 00:51

sircallen wrote:Not worth unless you're Azz and get dat sweet xp bonus.

What about when the brit player doesn't send VC, is it ever worth it (apart from Aztec xp bonus)?
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17 Jul 2017, 00:52

Depends on the british build. For instance when I was sending 5v first for awhile and my forward manors got sieged I would become momentarily popped. As a general rule of thumb though, no, don't siege manors.
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17 Jul 2017, 00:58

sircallen wrote:Depends on the british build. For instance when I was sending 5v first for awhile and my forward manors got sieged I would become momentarily popped. As a general rule of thumb though, no, don't siege manors.

Sending 5v first? :mad: Blasphemy, who was the friendly northern barbarian that prompted you to do such a thing?
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17 Jul 2017, 01:10

Aizamk wrote:
sircallen wrote:Depends on the british build. For instance when I was sending 5v first for awhile and my forward manors got sieged I would become momentarily popped. As a general rule of thumb though, no, don't siege manors.

Sending 5v first? :mad: Blasphemy, who was the friendly northern barbarian that prompted you to do such a thing?

An old meta crafter with an awfully bent toe.
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17 Jul 2017, 01:39

Actually I feel like farming manors for xp is not actually a bad thing to do in many scenarios.

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17 Jul 2017, 02:17

Depends on the context. It could be giving brits too much time. Brits could have went VC. It could be 1v1 or team. Etc.
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17 Jul 2017, 07:53

Timba wrote:
sircallen wrote:Not worth unless you're Azz and get dat sweet xp bonus.

What about when the brit player doesn't send VC, is it ever worth it (apart from Aztec xp bonus)?

Yes, unless its late game so he has spare wood and can remake them
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17 Jul 2017, 08:11

Imo that's good when your army is iddle and manors are exposed. Anyway, you aren't so likely to get all the 20 manors in 1v1 (I mean it happends, but like 20% of the games at best). So you win xp, destroy enemy los and force him to build more manors instead of army, which can give you a temporarry millitary advantage.
The inconvenients are that the enemy sees your army sieging and he can build more vils in late game.
All considered, it's very often good to destroy manors Imo.
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17 Jul 2017, 10:47

I thought that brit rarely gets close to being popped, so it's not worth sieging their manors for those reasons?
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17 Jul 2017, 11:23

No, never. You should control the resources to starve brit.
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17 Jul 2017, 11:27

It depends how you are playing. If you send VC that's probably the case, but either no. For instance, if you are rushing them with russia/india/otto, they are not likely to do a manor boom. Some people will probably disagree with this, but personnally when I play vs an agressiv strategy as brit, I focus on having as much army as possible for a timming, so I am often pop at this time. That's why if you destroy some of my manor houses, I need to change my plan or to chope wood to rebuild which both hurt my timing.
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17 Jul 2017, 16:01

Jerom wrote:Actually I feel like asking Dutch to be buffed is not actually a bad thing to do in many scenarios.
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17 Jul 2017, 16:09

Hardly funny.

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17 Jul 2017, 16:12

:unsure:
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17 Jul 2017, 16:55

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United States of America noissance
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17 Jul 2017, 17:12

If you manage to control all of the brit player's hunts (wall/tower/fort) then you render VC useless. The brit player will then have to make mills, which will slow them down a lot.
Another thing you could do is just kill off all his hunts with a couple of vills (with blunderbuss tech at market), and herding them away from the brit player. If you do this, then the brit player will run out of hunts even faster.
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17 Jul 2017, 18:11

noissance wrote:Another thing you could do is just kill off all his hunts with a couple of vills (with blunderbuss tech at market), and herding them away from the brit player. If you do this, then the brit player will run out of hunts even faster.

Don't encourage players to do stuff like that
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17 Jul 2017, 18:16

aligator92 wrote:
noissance wrote:Another thing you could do is just kill off all his hunts with a couple of vills (with blunderbuss tech at market), and herding them away from the brit player. If you do this, then the brit player will run out of hunts even faster.

Don't encourage players to do stuff like that

Earning PR comes at the greatest of costs. You think I won't cash in my dignity as a human individual to win a game? Lol. I will hunt all hunts if it means an ez4callen win.
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17 Jul 2017, 19:13

aligator92 wrote:
noissance wrote:Another thing you could do is just kill off all his hunts with a couple of vills (with blunderbuss tech at market), and herding them away from the brit player. If you do this, then the brit player will run out of hunts even faster.

Don't encourage players to do stuff like that

Gentlemen rules are only applicable to those who bind themselves. The scrubs who cry "unfair" can just as easily adapt to counter this type of play. This is no different from shrining up the map by playing japan. If anything, it can even end up as a disadvantage for both sides.
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17 Jul 2017, 19:31

Try walling up a German merc player's 3rd and 4th mines
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17 Jul 2017, 19:36

sircallen wrote:Earning PR comes at the greatest of costs. You think I won't cash in my dignity as a human individual to win a game? Lol. I will hunt all hunts if it means an ez4callen win.

You might want to have your dignity intact to fall back on when you fall into your next depression because Garja beat you with half as many units ;-)
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17 Jul 2017, 19:39

aligator92 wrote:
sircallen wrote:Earning PR comes at the greatest of costs. You think I won't cash in my dignity as a human individual to win a game? Lol. I will hunt all hunts if it means an ez4callen win.

You might want to have your dignity intact to fall back on when you fall into your next depression because Garja beat you with half as many units ;-)

nice meme

I challenge garja to a bo7
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17 Jul 2017, 22:10

It's actually almost always worth doing. Brit houses build slowly and cost a lot of wood. If you kill a few of them it ramps your shipments and slows them down quite a bit.

VC is probably the only context I could see where you should avoid a house with otherwise idle army. Plus the intel it provides is often critical to deny.

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