Settler gather rates

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Settler gather rates

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Excluding French and settlers wagons.

A buddy of mine said Spanish settlers have a slower gather rate than other settlers. I know Dutch has a 15% increase rate for mines but I am curious what other hidden buffs and debuffs are there.

When I play Spanish I am usually one of the highest scoring players but I do feel my eco drains fast. Maybe they are expensive or the lack of a 2nd factory.

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Spanish settlers have normal gather rates lol
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I had a feeling he was full of it lol.
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Maybe your buddy meant that Spanish settlers have a slower gather rate than others with all upgrades? Well they are not the slowest, but many civs have higher gather rates than them, for example ports, france, dutch, ger and russian settlers gather food on mills faster than spanish settlers (because Spanish do not have FoodSilos card)
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Only dutch settlers got a 15% bonus on gold mines. Other settlers gather everything at the same speed. India got the tier 1 and 2 wood upgrades researched by default though.
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_NiceKING_ wrote:Maybe your buddy meant that Spanish settlers have a slower gather rate than others with all upgrades? Well they are not the slowest, but many civs have higher gather rates than them, for example ports, france, dutch, ger and russian settlers gather food on mills faster than spanish settlers (because Spanish do not have FoodSilos card)



Yes. I think that is what they meant but my friend said they gathered slowly. Not having Food Silos is fine if they had 2 factories. I don't think Port has it either but their Church card gives them a 20% increase on food so it's fine. Spanish are not food heavy civi is you're going with Skims instead of Musks.
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dthrill_08 wrote:
_NiceKING_ wrote:Maybe your buddy meant that Spanish settlers have a slower gather rate than others with all upgrades? Well they are not the slowest, but many civs have higher gather rates than them, for example ports, france, dutch, ger and russian settlers gather food on mills faster than spanish settlers (because Spanish do not have FoodSilos card)



Yes. I think that is what they meant but my friend said they gathered slowly. Not having Food Silos is fine if they had 2 factories. I don't think Port has it either but their Church card gives them a 20% increase on food so it's fine. Spanish are not food heavy civi is you're going with Skims instead of Musks.

People mostly answer about TAD here, not nilla, be careful. On TAD all euro civs have 2 factories. On nilla, only russia and spain don't have 2 factories.
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Kaiserklein wrote:Only dutch settlers got a 15% bonus on gold mines. Other settlers gather everything at the same speed. India got the tier 1 and 2 wood upgrades researched by default though.


Is that 15% bonus just higher base stats (as with SW/Cdb) or as if they have a (fictional) upgrade working for them already? That is, how does placer mines effect them? (Are they then 1.265 times faster than standard upgradeless vills or just 1.25 times faster.)

Edit: If the (generally reliable) heavengames post is correct it looks like its higher base rate and so 1.265 times higher. (Didn't realise it showed the difference there.)
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ListlessSalmon wrote:
Kaiserklein wrote:Only dutch settlers got a 15% bonus on gold mines. Other settlers gather everything at the same speed. India got the tier 1 and 2 wood upgrades researched by default though.


Is that 15% bonus just higher base stats (as with SW/Cdb) or as if they have a (fictional) upgrade working for them already? That is, how does placer mines effect them? (Are they then 1.265 times faster than standard upgradeless vills or just 1.25 times faster.)

Edit: If the (generally reliable) heavengames post is correct it looks like its higher base rate and so 1.265 times higher. (Didn't realise it showed the difference there.)

They have a (fictional) upgrade working for them already. You can see it in the techtreey file

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<Effect type ='Data' action ='Gather' amount ='1.15' subtype ='WorkRate' unittype ='AbstractMine' relativity ='BasePercent'>
            <Target type ='ProtoUnit'>AbstractVillager</Target></Effect>
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_NiceKING_ wrote:
ListlessSalmon wrote:
Kaiserklein wrote:Only dutch settlers got a 15% bonus on gold mines. Other settlers gather everything at the same speed. India got the tier 1 and 2 wood upgrades researched by default though.


Is that 15% bonus just higher base stats (as with SW/Cdb) or as if they have a (fictional) upgrade working for them already? That is, how does placer mines effect them? (Are they then 1.265 times faster than standard upgradeless vills or just 1.25 times faster.)

Edit: If the (generally reliable) heavengames post is correct it looks like its higher base rate and so 1.265 times higher. (Didn't realise it showed the difference there.)

They have a (fictional) upgrade working for them already. You can see it in the techtreey file

Code: Select all

<Effect type ='Data' action ='Gather' amount ='1.15' subtype ='WorkRate' unittype ='AbstractMine' relativity ='BasePercent'>
            <Target type ='ProtoUnit'>AbstractVillager</Target></Effect>


that means that they start the game with a fictional 15% upgrade, but future upgrades still are based in the default base value, right?
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lemmings121 wrote:
_NiceKING_ wrote:
ListlessSalmon wrote:
Is that 15% bonus just higher base stats (as with SW/Cdb) or as if they have a (fictional) upgrade working for them already? That is, how does placer mines effect them? (Are they then 1.265 times faster than standard upgradeless vills or just 1.25 times faster.)

Edit: If the (generally reliable) heavengames post is correct it looks like its higher base rate and so 1.265 times higher. (Didn't realise it showed the difference there.)

They have a (fictional) upgrade working for them already. You can see it in the techtreey file

Code: Select all

<Effect type ='Data' action ='Gather' amount ='1.15' subtype ='WorkRate' unittype ='AbstractMine' relativity ='BasePercent'>
            <Target type ='ProtoUnit'>AbstractVillager</Target></Effect>


that means that they start the game with a fictional 15% upgrade, but future upgrades still are based in the default base value, right?

exactly
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Thats a new one. The dutch settler coin bonus is a surprisingly unknown one for how relevant it is.
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spain do seem to have a shit eco even sending 5 and 4 vills xD
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Hazza54321 wrote:spain do seem to have a shit eco even sending 5 and 4 vills xD

Theyre just inefficient doing 5v compared to france and germany (which are the other civs with no boom mechanic or rushy style) so that seems like a bad eco. I mean, if you have to use your eco inefficiently thats basically the same as having a bad eco.
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Since they don't have a 400w age up you kinda have to send 700w first if you wanna be able to make units or get steal traps etc. It's not as good of an eco shipment as 3sw 4 cours or 700w for brit.
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Yeah but with their extra shipments they can send vils directly after 700w so you just delay them by 40 sec or so
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gibson wrote:Since they don't have a 400w age up you kinda have to send 700w first if you wanna be able to make units or get steal traps etc. It's not as good of an eco shipment as 3sw 4 cours or 700w for brit.

They can just get steel traps and a TP and 5 villagers but its just not as smooth so that build order just falls short as a worse france/germany, which is why it seems like spain can't get a good eco I guess, while they do have the eco options.

But yeah, in practise spain usually is a low eco civ. Although that ATP build is actually smooth.
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Jerom wrote:
gibson wrote:Since they don't have a 400w age up you kinda have to send 700w first if you wanna be able to make units or get steal traps etc. It's not as good of an eco shipment as 3sw 4 cours or 700w for brit.

They can just get steel traps and a TP and 5 villagers but its just not as smooth so that build order just falls short as a worse france/germany, which is why it seems like spain can't get a good eco I guess, while they do have the eco options.

But yeah, in practise spain usually is a low eco civ. Although that ATP build is actually smooth.

try aging with 2 vills, makes spain super lame in temagames @glorious_
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To be entirely fair, 2 vills theoretically doesnt seem that far from viable.
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gibson wrote:Since they don't have a 400w age up you kinda have to send 700w first if you wanna be able to make units or get steal traps etc. It's not as good of an eco shipment as 3sw 4 cours or 700w for brit.

You can still send 5v first and make 5 cav like brit.
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Hazza54321 wrote:
Jerom wrote:
gibson wrote:Since they don't have a 400w age up you kinda have to send 700w first if you wanna be able to make units or get steal traps etc. It's not as good of an eco shipment as 3sw 4 cours or 700w for brit.

They can just get steel traps and a TP and 5 villagers but its just not as smooth so that build order just falls short as a worse france/germany, which is why it seems like spain can't get a good eco I guess, while they do have the eco options.

But yeah, in practise spain usually is a low eco civ. Although that ATP build is actually smooth.

try aging with 2 vills, makes spain super lame in temagames @glorious_


tbh if I play spain it always feels like everyone else has like 100% handicap. Imo just suicide yourself with pirioshiki ff. Will piss off your teammates but whatever... :D
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japanese gather slughtly faster from berries no?
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