Why can tourney games only be casted/streamed by ESOC?

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Gendarme wrote:His question is: If it is not streamed on ESOCTV, it does not hurt the ESOCTV brand. If both players agree to playing with observers, ESOC probably shouldn't enforce protection of the players. If neither the protection of the players, nor the ESOCTV brand is a problem, why is it still not allowed?

This is my question as well.


It's a good question. I think brams post answered this. The brand is affected. If someone streams a game, people know it's a tournament game. We can't enforce on private streams as many of the responses have pointed out. That's why It's not realistic for us to allow private streams.

In the same way a production crew controls every aspect of a sporting events coverage we do the same for our events. Imagine if one week your football game was covered by Joe with a shakey camcorder running up and down the field. imagine That was the only coverage you got for that. It will link back to us for allowing it to happen.

we have a wide open door. If you shoot an application and you have high quality and a reasonably good effort to your casting you are on the list. You can cast anything you want by working with our caster group.

What would be more helpful is to talk about any ideas you have to improve our casting system rather than asking us to make it optional.
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ProjectW wrote:
queenofdestiny wrote:Ofc you can cast what ever you want on your channel but dont name it esoc tournament game thats all


Can an official staff member confirm this. I've heard otherwise (dont wanna name names)


Here's another example. Allowing everyone to run free with creating tournament content creates confusion.

That's another reason we want to manage it. It's better for the big picture.
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666_X wrote:Can people at least still get added to the casters list and stream on ESOCTV that way? :flowers:

Send @MCJim a message including your ESO name and a sample of a casted match. You can either send a file to us or upload it on YouTube.
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Re: Why can tourney games only be casted/streamed by ESOC?

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@ProjectW Some manners would go a long way here. I understand your frustration but I assume you don't flame the volunteers at the local animal shelter either :flowers:

ProjectW wrote:Pepsi is a brand.

ESOC exists to promote AOE3, does it not? It seems to be that you (ESOC) care more about your brand than the game itself. You should have the game's best interest at heart,not ESOC's. What is ESOC without AOE anyways.


ESOC is most definitely a brand. Unlike Pepsi, ESOC doesn't strive to turn any profit, but rather act as a hub for AoE3. ESOC without AoE3 is like AoE3 without ESOC: irrelevant. The two go hand in hand and form the brand together. ESOC has many interests, one of which being hosting tournaments. We are, for example, also working on acquiring a foundation status and on improving our contacts with Microsoft. All, ultimately, have the game's interest in heart.

ProjectW wrote:If both players are OK with it, there's casters available, and an audience, i gurantee you streaming that game (on ESOC channel or some other channel) is NOT going to bite anyone in the ass. No one will say 'Oh OK, i quit watching AOE cuz some random guy is streaming tourney'. Heck, they won't even know cuz they are not subscribed to my channel.

Stop pulling shit out of your ass. It's not true. No one will stop watching ESOCTV cuz another channel(who he doesn't even know exists) was streaming a ro128 game yesterday for a few people to enjoy.


You misinterpreted what I said. What I said is that, on a monthly basis, ESOCTV will have more unfollows in a month with random, unscheduled streams. See the part about the diehard audience in the previous post. I don't hope you seriously believe I'd invent all of this because I hate aoe3 streams? I compared viewer/follower numbers in several months, both during tournaments and outside of tournaments. The results are very clear. I'm not going to write a report on it to convince you, so you'll just have to believe me.
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Its stupid tbh, most authorised caster are unavailable
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tedere12 wrote:why can't you cast them on your channel? what are they going to do to you?


queenofdestiny wrote:Ofc you can cast what ever you want on your channel but dont name it esoc tournament game thats all


gibson wrote:Tbh you can stream whatever you want on your channel lol. Esoc can only control whats streamed on the esoc channel so if you want to cast something on your channel go for it. What are they gonna do, report you to Microsoft?


Quite the arrogant posts. ESOC controls the tournament, and therefore also the content of said tournament. Disobeying rules will lead to warnings and ultimately disqualifications, like with any rules.
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Mr_Bramboy wrote:You misinterpreted what I said. What I said is that, on a monthly basis, ESOCTV will have more unfollows in a month with random, unscheduled streams. See the part about the diehard audience in the previous post. I don't hope you seriously believe I'd invent all of this because I hate aoe3 streams? I compared viewer/follower numbers in several months, both during tournaments and outside of tournaments. The results are very clear. I'm not going to write a report on it to convince you, so you'll just have to believe me.


Broski, you are taking this wayy too seriously. You are overdoing it to the point that it's determent to the community.. Those trends that you referring to (where ppl unsub etc due to irregular content etc), happen when you have 10s if not 100s of thousands of viewers and the viewer base is diverse. When you have LARGE numbers at play.

There's literally a handful of people that watch AOE3 and they are die hard fans. These trends don't apply here. You really think a fan of aoe that endures all the bugs and lag of the game is going to unsub because there's a surprise stream? Or will he rejoice?

Essentially you are running a small tightly knit village like it's a metropolis.
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I see I cannot convince you using the facts. Too bad.

There will be a stream tomorrow. I hope to see you there!
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Mr_Bramboy wrote:
tedere12 wrote:why can't you cast them on your channel? what are they going to do to you?


queenofdestiny wrote:Ofc you can cast what ever you want on your channel but dont name it esoc tournament game thats all


gibson wrote:Tbh you can stream whatever you want on your channel lol. Esoc can only control whats streamed on the esoc channel so if you want to cast something on your channel go for it. What are they gonna do, report you to Microsoft?


Quite the arrogant posts. ESOC controls the tournament, and therefore also the content of said tournament. Disobeying rules will lead to warnings and ultimately disqualifications, like with any rules.


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Yea, great job Mr. "Facts". Hopefully, you don't lose that 1 sub out of the puny 120 or so regular viewers that watch cuz a random stream sprouted in the middle of the week and scared him the f away
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But is an authorised caster allowed to start an unscheduled stream, if there is a series being played and he is avaible to cast?

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I'm guessing from the fact you ignored my question that you never asked to be a caster for ESOC events.

Which makes this a pretty troll thread.
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Mr_Bramboy wrote:
tedere12 wrote:why can't you cast them on your channel? what are they going to do to you?


queenofdestiny wrote:Ofc you can cast what ever you want on your channel but dont name it esoc tournament game thats all


gibson wrote:Tbh you can stream whatever you want on your channel lol. Esoc can only control whats streamed on the esoc channel so if you want to cast something on your channel go for it. What are they gonna do, report you to Microsoft?


Quite the arrogant posts. ESOC controls the tournament, and therefore also the content of said tournament. Disobeying rules will lead to warnings and ultimately disqualifications, like with any rules.
Arrogant? Are you shitting me or just trolling? So people who volunteered to play are fine with people who volunteered to cast casting while people who want to watch watch and you are trying to disallow that and somehow we're the arrogant ones? Am I the only one who sees the irony? Not only that but when ever someone complains about the tournament you guys always pull the "we're volunteers and work so hard blah blah blah" and now that people are actually taking the initiative to get the ball rolling on their own you shoot it down. Fucking hilarious.
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gibson wrote:
Mr_Bramboy wrote:
tedere12 wrote:why can't you cast them on your channel? what are they going to do to you?


queenofdestiny wrote:Ofc you can cast what ever you want on your channel but dont name it esoc tournament game thats all


gibson wrote:Tbh you can stream whatever you want on your channel lol. Esoc can only control whats streamed on the esoc channel so if you want to cast something on your channel go for it. What are they gonna do, report you to Microsoft?


Quite the arrogant posts. ESOC controls the tournament, and therefore also the content of said tournament. Disobeying rules will lead to warnings and ultimately disqualifications, like with any rules.
Arrogant? Are you shitting me or just trolling? So people who volunteered to play are fine with people who volunteered to cast casting while people who want to watch watch and you are trying to disallow that and somehow we're the arrogant ones? Am I the only one who sees the irony? Not only that but when ever someone complains about the tournament you guys always pull the "we're volunteers and work so hard blah blah blah" and now that people are actually taking the initiative to get the ball rolling on their own you shoot it down. Fucking hilarious.


The fact is... people can always vollunter to be casters and then stream on the offical ESOC channel.
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Keep ESOCTV as a brand that gets its name aoe3, helps in spreading the game, and that's good .. any idiot would understand .. but guys insist on fighting for something useless..
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born2believe wrote:But is an authorised caster allowed to start an unscheduled stream, if there is a series being played and he is avaible to cast?

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If a caster arranges something and gets in touch with us. We are almost always around at peak times to give the go ahead. I am pretty sure you need approval to start the stream though.

Bram can confirm
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_H2O wrote:
ProjectW wrote:
queenofdestiny wrote:Ofc you can cast what ever you want on your channel but dont name it esoc tournament game thats all


Can an official staff member confirm this. I've heard otherwise (dont wanna name names)


Here's another example. Allowing everyone to run free with creating tournament content creates confusion.

That's another reason we want to manage it. It's better for the big picture.


I agree with this. It's very important for the ESOC content to be on ESOCTV. There are notable different time zones that I wasn't available for, for my tournament, this resulted in content being all over the place. In some cases not available at all. As a result I have a large backlog of recordings that I mostly have to cast myself, if at all. Having content everywhere just delays it being published and enjoyed for more people. Unless you submit the casting in full and tell ESOC in advance, I don't think it's a good idea at all.
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The tournament matches are run through and administrated by ESOC.

If players choose to ignore the parameters and rules set out such as they are they risk disqualification.

Rules can always be improved and perhaps you can be a part of the discussion for the next tournament, but rules should not be changed in the middle of the tournament.

If you want to organize your own tournament with rules that allow anyone to stream then knock yourself out. ESOC's tournament is something they're giving us. They are not making your life more difficult. They do not owe you anything. But they're probably nice enough to forgive you and welcome you into the approved casters list even after you insulted them.
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ProjectW wrote:Both players want it casted? Check.
Casters and streamers available? Check.
There's audience? Check.

I don't see a problem here..And why can't i say it's a tourney game and tell other people to come watch n enjoy and all have fun? Again why the fuck does ESOC rule makers have a dildo stuck up their behind they are acting like it's multi billion dollar corporation.

Man it's 1.5k prize pool, can't let people do whatever they want, obviously letting anyone cast a tourney game is not safe... The point of being an authorized caster is that they trust you. What if you maphack for one of the players or w/e ?
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Or what if you start flirting with your girlfriend in the middl... nvm that is allowed.
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From the moment you participate in something that was not organized by you..
You just have to follow like rules of something that was very well done ..

If you are not satisfied, bye ..Play random .. but I say, esoc that keeps the game still interesting..
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SO whats gonna happen with GUA vs Samurai?? GuA streamed his own games on his channel but didnt advertise ESOC brand.. Is this ok? Or will the game be void and both players get disqualified?
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streaming first person is fine said Bramboy already lol
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Though tbh if you stream first person with no delay it's really easy to get people in the chat to advise you
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@Kaiserklein That is like having a coach beside you, which you do not oppose. No reason to have rules that cannot be enforced - it benefits cheaters only.
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