Gendarme wrote:@
Kaiserklein That is like having a coach beside you, which you do not oppose. No reason to have rules that cannot be enforced - it benefits cheaters only.
Well you have a point, but imo there's a difference between stuff happening irl and stuff happening online. Streaming a tourney game is something public, not private like me helping my girlfriend. I'm anyway next to her when she plays, because she's at my place lol... What should I do then ? Ignore that she's playing a tourney, or go out for a 1h walk, or what ? Of course I give her some advice then, it's just natural.
Garja wrote:well being coached is sort of cheating but you cant know that over internet games
Why would that be cheating ? In how many real life sport competitions do you have a coach staying close to the players and advising them ? And usually when you cheat it means you break the rules, so, what rule of esoc tourneys does this break ?
Papist wrote:@
queenofdestiny Cheating or not, it's not in the spirit of fair play. People expect to play against you and your skill set, not that of some coach of an unknown skill level.
You're aware that a ton of people playing this tourney have a coach right ? They practiced some match ups, build orders, etc, usually with someone of higher skill. It's normal, it's part of every competition, and it's how you get better at the game. She was playing, so it's not like the opponent was playing against "some coach of an unknown skill level", I just gave her some advice, which is normal. Everyone can do it, and a lot of people do it, why isn't it fair play ?
Btw anyone can screenshare, or stream the tourney games (can even be done on a secret stream), and have people calling with them and giving advice, which is exactly the same.
IAmSoldieR wrote:If you are playing and someone is making decisions for you, yes you are cheating.
Same like I said above, how is that cheating ? It's not against the rules, everyone can do it, and it's part of a lot of irl competitions as well.
ProjectW wrote:I just said "if both players agree and allow the caster" so your point about cheating/maphacking is moot.
So what, you can say "ok" for someone to cast your game, without knowing that he'll actually give information to your opponent... For example he can have him muted in the call and let him listen to the commentary, or screenshare or w/e...
gibson wrote:Well if someone's casting they aren't gonna be on Skype talking with someone lol. And there's nothing about being an "authorized caster" that makes you less likely to help someone cheat anyway. It literally just has to do with whether or not you're decent at casting.
Again it's easy to give info while casting. About the authorized casters stuff, well you're supposed to have some kind of responsibility when you're an ESOC caster, and to be trusted by ESOC. Then of course, there is no way to be 100% sure that an ESOC caster won't cheat, since it's online stuff and there's no admin sitting next to him.
_RNZ_ wrote:Being coached isn't the same as being on the same computer. Being coached is how people get better at the game, same as everyone else.
Calling with someone who can see what's happening on your screen actually has exactly the same effect as what I did with queen. It just allows the coach to give advice in real time. What's the difference here ?