Is there anything stronger than RE iro with great plains middle TP?

[deleted_user0]

Iro are fine on deccan though? @umeu cos of age 1 farm and yaks

Theyre fine obviously, but other civs gain more comparitively. Specially asian civs. Like iro ages 30 sec to 1 min before india or japan notmally, but then on deccan india might age like 15 sec before iro and have a tp. Iro and twc civs dont gain much from deccan. Otto neither, not as much as some other civs anyway.

[__Uhlan__]

Iro are fine on deccan though? @umeu cos of age 1 farm and yaks

Theyre fine obviously, but other civs gain more comparitively. Specially asian civs. Like iro ages 30 sec to 1 min before india or japan notmally, but then on deccan india might age like 15 sec before iro and have a tp. Iro and twc civs dont gain much from deccan. Otto neither, not as much as some other civs anyway.

brit on deccan is quite insane

[gibson]

Iro are fine on deccan though? @umeu cos of age 1 farm and yaks

Theyre fine obviously, but other civs gain more comparitively. Specially asian civs. Like iro ages 30 sec to 1 min before india or japan notmally, but then on deccan india might age like 15 sec before iro and have a tp. Iro and twc civs dont gain much from deccan. Otto neither, not as much as some other civs anyway.

Wtf you talking about. India doesn't age faster than Iro on deccan, and if India takes an age 1 tp they're still like 1 minute slower than Iro, assuming India doesn't have major idle time

[jesus3]

I feel a sandwich would calm that man down

[Garja]

Deccan is a great Iro map. With best start you can go tp+market+farm with respective ups. Considering that you also fatten buffalos (500f each btw) and that farm upgrades also affect berries (and herdables?) this is insane.
Power levels are not alrerated in worse except maybe against Japan which gains a lot in terms of age up time and early efficiency and it isn't hunt dependant. And ofc Japan is a civ that would potentially beat Iros if it wasnt for the tempo factor. Most civs dont beat RE Iros even disregarding the tempo factor. That is atleast before very late game.

[deleted_user0]

Iro are fine on deccan though? @umeu cos of age 1 farm and yaks

Theyre fine obviously, but other civs gain more comparitively. Specially asian civs. Like iro ages 30 sec to 1 min before india or japan notmally, but then on deccan india might age like 15 sec before iro and have a tp. Iro and twc civs dont gain much from deccan. Otto neither, not as much as some other civs anyway.

Wtf you talking about. India doesn't age faster than Iro on deccan, and if India takes an age 1 tp they're still like 1 minute slower than Iro, assuming India doesn't have major idle time

Depending on the crates, india can have the res to age at at 1.30 with 10/10. Iro ages either 13, but more frequently 14v on deccan, depending on how greedy they opened. Also, iro might really want to slow age on deccan to keep fortress options open. Aging less that 13 sux hard for them anyway. So a 13v iro ages about same time, while a 14 iro ages slower. To be fair, normal india 10/10 can easily age at 3.45, same time as normal iro, but in that case they dont have any tp or market or bank of coin.

But you dont have to agree with me. Think whatever you like lol. But thats been my experiences in many twc civ games om deccan. I would never prefer it

[deleted_user0]

Deccan is a great Iro map. With best start you can go tp+market+farm with respective ups. Considering that you also fatten buffalos (500f each btw) and that farm upgrades also affect berries (and herdables?) this is insane.
Power levels are not alrerated in worse except maybe against Japan which gains a lot in terms of age up time and early efficiency and it isn't hunt dependant. And ofc Japan is a civ that would potentially beat Iros if it wasnt for the tempo factor. Most civs dont beat RE Iros even disregarding the tempo factor. That is atleast before very late game.

I disagree there. Tad civs and port/ger will match iro on deccan. Bonus of iro tp is migitated cuz almost every civ will grab a tp on deccan, and also they can all get a market beside it and then do an age up without a house and start aging around 2min. Iro just lost 2 of their advantages: easy early tp, and faster age. Map control is still established, but deccan is easy to wall off. Iro should still win most mus even then, but i would take gp over deccan everyday

[Garja]

Vs Germans you can even just play colo and win Brits way. But ofc there is no reason to not simply semi FF when yours is stronger.
Vs Ports you can do w/e that involves aging up, really.
GP is more straightforward but Deccan doesn't penalize Iro at all.

[deleted_user0]

i didnt say it penalized iro, i just said that other civs gain more from the extra crates than iro. it levels the playing field more, ofc not as much as no tp maps do, but its not like a normal tp land map either.

[Garja]

Thing is that even no tp maps are also totally fine. Iro advantage is not really fast age up but rather that they have 300-500 more resources (and way to spend them) than most civs with the first 2 ages while keeping all other factors the same.
On Deccan you get an extra farm (80xp + 10% food up + fattening herdables). If you don't want that you can probably have an extra TP in transition to colo instead.
And the map works well for Iro features more than euro civs.

[deleted_user0]

No tp maps just clearly level the playing field, assuming that on a tp map iro would get a tp and the other wouldnt. Otherwise ye it doesnt matter

[Garja]

On non TP you get farm+upgrade or atleast farm which is 80xp + fattening cows. And still retain all other advantages. It changes the way you play some MUs but in the end the outcome is the same. It does level the playing field a little I guess since TP is usually stronger than food up and fattening.

[sebnan12]

umeu is right imo iro are probly still better than most civs on deccan but not as much betterthan theyare on plains