WCG-style tournament

[dicktator_]

You act like normal tournies doesn't have top players enlimated earlier then they should also, and like it doesn't have subpar players in ro16+ due to seeding lol. Come on this tournies brackets were a mess and people are watching it, I think this is a good idea would be fun imo.

So why did we have the very best people in the previous finals? H2O vs BSOP & Raphael, Samwise vs Acergame, even now it can be Raphael vs BSOP.

Firstly because in ro128 its impossible that they cross each other.

That's thanks to the format.

You know you just owned yourself right? For the most part you're correct though.

[pecelot]

I mean he took 3 games of the other finalist, unlike Raphael and H2O in next tournaments, respectively, so this example paradoxically seems to prove my point the most.

[momuuu]

I dont even know if more tournaments is better. Kinda kills the hype. Tournaments happen so frequently people dont really bother training anymore even, it just turns it into browser games for people. And even then, Id rather see many different formats over WCG style stuff personally. NL qualifier would be rather boring for example, might aswell skip to umeu vs goodspeed. And Id rather see a tournament with acer and h2o or lordraphael and snowww or somppu and prince or wicked and TLS and hazza than one without them or just those in a qualifier.

[macacoalbino]

Stop trolling dude youre a mod ffs!
Because i said you comparison wasnt fair, I'm showing why the two cant be compared.
Btw thats it, I'm not answering to you in this thread anymore.

[pecelot]

I dont even know if more tournaments is better. Kinda kills the hype. Tournaments happen so frequently people dont really bother training anymore even, it just turns it into browser games for people.

Meh, we already have 2 major tournaments per year, we should some more smaller events in the meantime, especially with so many donations.

@macacoalbino , well, lol. That's what analogies are about, right? You compare two things that are not the same, but bear the same principles or logic.

[__Uhlan__]

You act like normal tournies doesn't have top players enlimated earlier then they should also, and like it doesn't have subpar players in ro16+ due to seeding lol. Come on this tournies brackets were a mess and people are watching it, I think this is a good idea would be fun imo.

So why did we have the very best people in the previous finals? H2O vs BSOP & Raphael, Samwise vs Acergame, even now it can be Raphael vs BSOP.

Firstly because in ro128 its impossible that they cross each other.

That's thanks to the format.

becuase the best two players are the best two players for a reason they don't lose to anyone so no matter the brackets they will both be in the finals unless they would cross each other before that so don't get what ur saying at all. The brackets this tourney are a mess and there is no way to argue that. some matches happened way to earlier and shouldn't of crossed each other that early. and ward in ro8? I love ward good friend but he is a ro32-16 player and he is in quarter finals. The top bracket is just clearly weaker then the bottom bracket. Now bsop v raplh could still happen but if you consider the two best players just being on opposite sides of the bracket "good seeding" then your just simply lost.

[pecelot]

Notice how I don't defend the current seeding anywhere, it indeed seems a bit unfair, but in the end it may turn out that both of the best players will still be in the finals.
You do have a point that I don't necessarily have the point, but my initial point was that nationality-based divisions are not a way to go in terms of competitiveness. Suppose Blackstar was German, for instance.
I'll say that again, I personally don't mind the idea as a filler in between major tournaments, though in my humble opinion we could rather mess with civilisations rules and in-game settings than with people's derivation.

[lemmings121]

Notice how I don't defend the current seeding anywhere, it indeed seems a bit unfair, but in the end it may turn out that both of the best players will still be in the finals.
You do have a point that I don't necessarily have the point, but my initial point was that nationality-based divisions are not a way to go in terms of competitiveness. Suppose Blackstar was German, for instance.
I'll say that again, I personally don't mind the idea as a filler in between major tournaments, though in my humble opinion we could rather mess with civilisations rules and in-game settings than with people's derivation.

single civ per player tournament? you have to choose your civ in the signup.

[__Uhlan__]

Notice how I don't defend the current seeding anywhere, it indeed seems a bit unfair, but in the end it may turn out that both of the best players will still be in the finals.
You do have a point that I don't necessarily have the point, but my initial point was that nationality-based divisions are not a way to go in terms of competitiveness. Suppose Blackstar was German, for instance.
I'll say that again, I personally don't mind the idea as a filler in between major tournaments, though in my humble opinion we could rather mess with civilisations rules and in-game settings than with people's derivation.

Yeah but there is a sense of pride representing your nation that could be fun, not necessarily competitive.

[Hazza54321]

Need 2v2 tourney

[sergyou]

In past Call of Duty World Championships, the largest tourney of the year btw (1 mil first place prize), was stuctured like this, such that a lot of the viewers at home were watching some teams that were just blatantly worse than most of them. It was weird and is rather off-putting.

Wich ? Had to be codxp ( mw3 ) because the world championships from black ops 2 weren't
Like this , 4
Names that come in mind from USA Optic , fariko , envy and complexety

[deleted_user]

In past Call of Duty World Championships, the largest tourney of the year btw (1 mil first place prize), was stuctured like this, such that a lot of the viewers at home were watching some teams that were just blatantly worse than most of them. It was weird and is rather off-putting.

Wich ? Had to be codxp ( mw3 ) because the world championships from black ops 2 weren't
Like this , 4
Names that come in mind from USA Optic , fariko , envy and complexety

cod ghosts off the top of my head

it's not that only one-per-country but more that pretty much any country could be represented and it proved for some really non entertaining and downright lopsided games in the largest tourney of the year

[deleted_user0]

I dont even know if more tournaments is better. Kinda kills the hype. Tournaments happen so frequently people dont really bother training anymore even, it just turns it into browser games for people. And even then, Id rather see many different formats over WCG style stuff personally. NL qualifier would be rather boring for example, might aswell skip to umeu vs goodspeed. And Id rather see a tournament with acer and h2o or lordraphael and snowww or somppu and prince or wicked and TLS and hazza than one without them or just those in a qualifier.

So just cuz ro32 was u vs gs and king vs conquerer etc they were just boring rounds not worth the watch? Its clear you dont like it, which is fine, but youre really presenting non-arguments. Nationality may not be conducive to testing pure skill, hence CL is better than the WC but the WC does tend to be more popular with the non diehard fans for obvious reasons. So skill is not the only thing to matter here.

Well youre truly taking a worse case scenario.

Best case would br something like this:

Uk qualies: wicked, hazza, tls, maybe samwise, gwb duke it out for the brit spot.

Dutch qualies: could be you, gs, veni and me.

Usa qualies: uhlan, roiar, maybe ryan, maybe irish etc for usa spot

German qualies: erik, lordraph, optimus, lukas, etc

And we can go on. Those countries winner qualifies directly. While if you sign up for fucking lichtenstein you will have to compete with the other small countries such as vatican city and canada (now i think of it, its indeed only mitoe).

And the winner of these games will square of in a ro16 or ro8 vs each other. So instead of having high lvl games early and none later, if well organised youre only gonna have high level games...

[__Uhlan__]

I dont even know if more tournaments is better. Kinda kills the hype. Tournaments happen so frequently people dont really bother training anymore even, it just turns it into browser games for people. And even then, Id rather see many different formats over WCG style stuff personally. NL qualifier would be rather boring for example, might aswell skip to umeu vs goodspeed. And Id rather see a tournament with acer and h2o or lordraphael and snowww or somppu and prince or wicked and TLS and hazza than one without them or just those in a qualifier.

Well youre truly taking a worse case scenario.

Best case would br something like this:

Uk qualies: wicked, hazza, tls, maybe samwise, gwb duke it out for the brit spot.

Dutch qualies: could be you, gs, veni and me.

Usa qualies: uhlan, roiar, maybe ryan, maybe irish etc for usa spot

German qualies: erik, lordraph, optimus, lukas, etc

And we can go on. Those countries winner qualifies directly. While if you sign up for fucking lichtenstein you will have to compete with the other small countries such as vatican city and canada (now i think of it, its indeed only mitoe).

And the winner of these games will square of in a ro16 or ro8 vs each other. So instead of having high lvl games early and none later, if well organised youre only gonna have high level games...

for once I agree with umeu (XD) seems like a lot of fun to me.

[deleted_user0]

Rather than arguing about whether bad matchups can happen or not. Let's talk about how to make it not happen. That's really what we are going for here.

The answer is rather easy ofc, have good sign up restrictions. Major up maybe, or capt up. Since last tourney some capts been showing good runs vs high lvl. Then you seed them according to sign ups. Best player of any big country (need good criteria to decide which those are) will qualify directly. Whereas all the small countries will be grouped together to for an international qualifying group (just as in the WC, europe and america and africa qualify immediately, but australia and asia have some joint qualies)

[deleted_user]

2017 - the year of the captain!

proud day for all of us at that low lvl

[JakeyBoyTH]

Rather than arguing about whether bad matchups can happen or not. Let's talk about how to make it not happen. That's really what we are going for here.

The answer is rather easy ofc, have good sign up restrictions. Major up maybe, or capt up. Since last tourney some capts been showing good runs vs high lvl. Then you seed them according to sign ups. Best player of any big country (need good criteria to decide which those are) will qualify directly. Whereas all the small countries will be grouped together to for an international qualifying group (just as in the WC, europe and america and africa qualify immediately, but australia and asia have some joint qualies)

I think New Zealand should be a seperate country so i get to play. Anyone says otherwise is racism.

[kami_ryu]

I think it's a good idea if it can be made as simple as possible. Small weekend event as opposed to a larger ongoing event like current tournament.

[gibson]

Rather than arguing about whether bad matchups can happen or not. Let's talk about how to make it not happen. That's really what we are going for here.

The answer is rather easy ofc, have good sign up restrictions. Major up maybe, or capt up. Since last tourney some capts been showing good runs vs high lvl.

Thanks 4 the shoutout

[deleted_user]

Rather than arguing about whether bad matchups can happen or not. Let's talk about how to make it not happen. That's really what we are going for here.

The answer is rather easy ofc, have good sign up restrictions. Major up maybe, or capt up. Since last tourney some capts been showing good runs vs high lvl.

Thanks 4 the shoutout

ur not even a captain m8

[eulergauss]

If just 1 player per country would be allowed, it would be just a normal tourney with less quality =>
If more then one player for some countries would be allowed, it wouldn't be a special event, but just a normal tourney with a bit less quality =>

BUT it would work, if it would be
a) 2vs2, 1 team from each country
b) 1v1, but in teams, every team has one teamleader, normal teamplayers can play only once, the teamleader can play twice, first game is teamleader vs teamleader, after that the winner team picks player and civ first and the other team can counter

it could be general a invitational with selected countries like Germany, France, Dutch, China, Austria, USA, Brazil, Japan, ...

[britishmusketeer]

I would suggest the following format: Anyone can enter provided they are above a certain level(2nd lieut for example). You enter with an esoc name and a country. If a country has a player that enters an account with 2300+ 1v1 elo(could be made higher or lower-just an example), then your country automatically will qualify. Then there are several qualifier elimination brackets, one for each automatically qualifying country and also one for all players that entered with a country that doesn't contain any accounts entered above 2300. Then the final 'wcg-style' bracket would consist of the players that won their qualifying bracket. So the final represented countries would be those with a player 2300+ and a country that won the 'rest of the world playoff'.

[AOEisLOVE_AOEisLIFE]

Need 2v2 tourney

since that turned out so well last time.

[Hazza54321]

Need 2v2 tourney

since that turned out so well last time.

It mostly did

[AOEisLOVE_AOEisLIFE]

Need 2v2 tourney

since that turned out so well last time.

It mostly did

you are probably totally right there, i enjoyed the games i watched.

however i mainly focused on all the drama, cuz this is what keeps me entertained and my crippling ego slightly stable.
and boy, there was some drama..