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Rikikipu wrote:First, I think that there are 2 clients here : the players and the spectators, and we need to try to satisfy both of them.
I don't think the level of games were worst than before, however I agree they become stale. We are eating since end of 2015 semi-FF or nr 10 games. Why that ?

• I take the responsability for the maps diversity. Maps are not as unique as the RE ones. Think about Silk Road, Ceylon, Regicide Honshu, etc. That's one of the reason I want to remove Manchac for instance. There is btw the possibility to remove maps and have seasonal maps like in some other games. We currently have 27 esoc maps. Maybe 15-20 would be enough for an event. Moreover, I gonna try to release maps that are more unique and provide a different gameplay because right now most of maps fully support semi-FF confort zone for players.

I think the civ rules is cool for main events, but we can try it in a small one to see how it goes.

Jerom wrote:Mappool wise I think its fine for tournaments but as a random map pool the maps are too all over the place. If you wanna seriously play a mu you sometimes just have to rehost a few times or pick a map. For a tournament off maps are fine but they sometimes give unfair advantages in terms of civ picking (look for example at how impossible it was for bsop to counter raphas aztec pick on indonesia).

Goodspeed wrote:When it comes to the maps, generally I think there is too much variance when it comes to resource balance. This should be more of a constant, with a few exceptions but not too many, as it has a major effect on civ balance.
Maps should differ not (rather not as much) by having more or less resources than each other, but by being designed differently. For example Tibet and Kamchatka, even if they had the same amount of hunts and mines, would still be very different maps where different civs and different strategies are viable.
But there is a lot of (passionate) disagreement about this and in the end, the map makers decide because they are the ones doing the work.

Jerom wrote:Mappool wise I think its fine for tournaments but as a random map pool the maps are too all over the place. If you wanna seriously play a mu you sometimes just have to rehost a few times or pick a map. For a tournament off maps are fine but they sometimes give unfair advantages in terms of civ picking (look for example at how impossible it was for bsop to counter raphas aztec pick on indonesia).

Darwin_ wrote:

Jerom wrote:Mappool wise I think its fine for tournaments but as a random map pool the maps are too all over the place. If you wanna seriously play a mu you sometimes just have to rehost a few times or pick a map. For a tournament off maps are fine but they sometimes give unfair advantages in terms of civ picking (look for example at how impossible it was for bsop to counter raphas aztec pick on indonesia).

I have created a custom map set called "good ESOC maps 1v1 X.0" which has around 10 or 12 of the best ESOC maps. If you want the file, just pm me and I would be more than happy to send it to you. It is the only random set I use on EP.

Rikikipu wrote:

Darwin_ wrote:

Jerom wrote:Mappool wise I think its fine for tournaments but as a random map pool the maps are too all over the place. If you wanna seriously play a mu you sometimes just have to rehost a few times or pick a map. For a tournament off maps are fine but they sometimes give unfair advantages in terms of civ picking (look for example at how impossible it was for bsop to counter raphas aztec pick on indonesia).

I have created a custom map set called "good ESOC maps 1v1 X.0" which has around 10 or 12 of the best ESOC maps. If you want the file, just pm me and I would be more than happy to send it to you. It is the only random set I use on EP.

Lol

lemmings121 wrote:Esoc events are just great, its whats keeps me and a lot of people still on the game, if it was only ladder qs, I believe the game would be nearly dead by now. So i have to thank you guys for the effort

About maps:
Map veto is good imo, forcing people to play water is annoying, having only standard maps is too. this way a pool can have a few non standard maps, and is up to the players decided if they want to play them or not.

We could have a few RE maps in tho, maps like NE and Yucatan are good, maybe a small rework to make spawns more consistent. They aren't super standard so that might bring some variety to the game without adding new stuff that people would have to learn.

Future events:
Regional tournaments: there was even a recent thread by umeu where some nice ideas popped. everyone could signup, after signups close split people in 16 groups, Brazil, Latin america, USA, china a few euro groups (preferably with same or very near timezone) etc. then we could have a group stage where everyone plays everyone in their group (might give 3 points for win and 1 for a lost, just to incentivise people to play. Since there is no timezone nor language barrier, scheduling should be easier), the one with most points in each group goes to a single elimination bracket. Might give max 2 weeks for all groups games to happen, so it doesn't goes on for too long.

Another idea for a single day (or other short format to be defined): single civ tournament. You choose your civ on signup and play only that one. lets see which are the most versatile civs! (will kaiser beat all civs with german? can tit get a good run with his india being unable to change his civ vs aztec or french? will bsop just jan abus his way to the win?)(and also, see different matchups happening, since no counterpick! enough brit vs russia! )

other ideas:
Nekoberk mentioned a medal system. That could be fun, give small badges (I mean small, like the current flags) for people doing useful stuff for the community. examples: "uploaded more then 'x' self record games"; "casted more then 'x' games"; "played in 'x' event";
could also give a icon representing the best result the player had in a esoc main event (2nd place, top 16, top 128, anything, just to people have something to look for, incentivising people to actually play the main event even if they are not 35+ "hah! this season i'll get that top 64 medal!"

macacoalbino wrote:My only take on it would be to change its rules a little. Imo the veto should be issued right before the game starts - if there's a reason to make it in advance pls let me know. Also maybe consider giving players at least 2 vetos every round, adding more to the civ picking strategies and map choices.

pecelot wrote:

macacoalbino wrote:My only take on it would be to change its rules a little. Imo the veto should be issued right before the game starts - if there's a reason to make it in advance pls let me know. Also maybe consider giving players at least 2 vetos every round, adding more to the civ picking strategies and map choices.

Maybe you could give a reason why it should be changed?
2 vetoes per round is present in further stages of the tournament already.

pecelot wrote:

macacoalbino wrote:My only take on it would be to change its rules a little. Imo the veto should be issued right before the game starts - if there's a reason to make it in advance pls let me know. Also maybe consider giving players at least 2 vetos every round, adding more to the civ picking strategies and map choices.

Maybe you could give a reason why it should be changed?
2 vetoes per round is present in further stages of the tournament already.

pecelot wrote:I can say it again, too. I'm pretty content with current system, 2 vetoes in a 5-map pool seems to be overdoing it. Though I get the idea.
It's mainly players' fault. From what I can tell it means a lot to know the maps in advance, especially with something extraordinary is on the first places on the list. You prepare differently to Indonesia and High Plains, right? I'm not sure how it works in SC2, but honestly, I can't find a reason for such a change in our regular tournament settings.

lordraphael wrote:players veto maps right before the game starts. THo map vetoing isnt that big of a deal there. First of all you know exactly what race a player is going to play and both player know exactly which maps are good for which race. ALso all maps are complete mirrors theres no randomness and while a map may favour one race its still very winnable for the other 2 races. AOe on the other hand has random factors in the maps and they also have features like tps and water play that significantly change balance, so yeah vetoing 1 or 2 days before the matches are being played is logical.