best civ out of these 3 against iros

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Re: best civ out of these 3 against iros

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yurashic wrote:France starts with 6.25 vills and a native scout, sends 3.75 vills in age 1 and has good units and shipments. You also forgot that CDBs move faster than vills. Nothing special, but on EP they lose like 3 MUs, it is above average. I think they are fine right now.

This is good reasoning. Perhaps this calls for closer investigation.
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Cdbs train like 15% slower, and gather 25% better. That's the real eco boost, your eco scales slightly faster
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France is also a lot less susceptible to raiding obviously, so their eco tends to grow not as fast as e.g. ports or russia but significantly more steadily. It's not a factor that you can measure in numbers but often it makes a significant difference.
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Re: best civ out of these 3 against iros

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I am assuming Kaiserklein is correct with the 15% slower training. 15% slower training speed equates to (100/85)% (~118%) training time for 125% of a settler, which is exactly a 6.25% more efficient Town Center.

This means that if CDBs were scaled down to train as quickly as settlers, they would gather 6.25% faster than settlers. In other words, for each settler you train, you get 0.0625 of a settler for free - or for every 16 settlers you train you get one for free (if France trained settlers).
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Re: best civ out of these 3 against iros

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Okay, well that's my eco theory totally debunked.
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It's actually even a bit less than that:
16 settlers take 400 seconds to train, in which time france will train 13.793 cdbs.
16 settlers are worth only 12.8 cdbs.
So in 400 seconds, France actually trained an extra cdb than they logically should, aka an extra 1.25 vil compared to other civs. So you in fact need to wait only 320 seconds, or to train 12.8 vils, to get an extra vil as France.

tl;dr, you get a free vil every 5 min or so when you play France.
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Re: best civ out of these 3 against iros

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Germany probably.

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