Which Civ Relies on Shipments the Least

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Which Civ Relies on Shipments the Least

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Basically the title says it all. Of course all civs have very good bonuses from shipments and rely someway or another on shipments but looking at all the civs, which one would you say could fare the best without any or limited shipments?

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By far British I think
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ovi12 wrote:By far British I think


What I was thinking. Obvi their cards are nice but in a game with no shipments theyd fare the best imo
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British ofc. This is one of the reasons they are the best civ on EP.
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Brits, ports, sioux.
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It may be unconventional, but I think Otto. If players could not rely on booming with shipments, players will use the Mosque improvements in order to pull ahead.
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Pseudo-ku wrote:It may be unconventional, but I think Otto. If players could not rely on booming with shipments, players will use the Mosque improvements in order to pull ahead.

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probably japan really
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JakeyBoyTH wrote:
Pseudo-ku wrote:It may be unconventional, but I think Otto. If players could not rely on booming with shipments, players will use the Mosque improvements in order to pull ahead.

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probably japan really

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Also come to think of it asian civs could tech into France for those Export -> resource crate conversions
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Pseudo-ku wrote:It may be unconventional, but I think Otto. If players could not rely on booming with shipments, players will use the Mosque improvements in order to pull ahead.


Otto is one of the most shipment dependent civs... Otto with no 3v or crates will have maybe 10 jans at 8 minutes. And mosque upgrades take long to pay off, and are quite costly still, otto can only afford them with crate spam... For which you need cards
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umeu wrote:
Pseudo-ku wrote:It may be unconventional, but I think Otto. If players could not rely on booming with shipments, players will use the Mosque improvements in order to pull ahead.


Otto is one of the most shipment dependent civs... Otto with no 3v or crates will have maybe 10 jans at 8 minutes. And mosque upgrades take long to pay off, and are quite costly still, otto can only afford them with crate spam... For which you need cards

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Brits would do well. Either them or Dutch or Japan would be top civ. Ports might do well because they can hold and long-term they outboom, but they lack good RI in colonial. Games rarely would go to fortress without shipments.
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games would never go fort. I think india would be nice.
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don't think so. india without trickle shipments and +1 vil from shipments would have quite bad eco for a long time. ofc their colonial line up is great, but i'm quite sure brits, japan and dutch will just outmass them.
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yeah same, India 300 exp is a basic shipment you need for 4 vils (otto consulate)
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wouldve said aztecs but afterall brits probly have 80 pts somewhere aztec have 50
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JakeyBoyTH wrote:
Pseudo-ku wrote:It may be unconventional, but I think Otto. If players could not rely on booming with shipments, players will use the Mosque improvements in order to pull ahead.

:cry:
probably japan really

I dont agree, you want heavenly kami, cherry orchards, 7 vil shipment in fortress.
Actually japan relies heavily on shipments because if you cant boom good you are dead within 10 mins
Even if you go torri gates rush you need 5x ashi/yumi cards to continue the pressure

EDIT: @deleted_user @Goodspeed without orchards you think japan can even be viable?
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depends on the map really. you have to realise ofcourse that all civs wouldnt be able to send shipments, so that means japan would probably be fine in such a setting, because they have another way to boom in age1/age2 other than villager shipments. since there are no military shipments either, rushes are no longer viable, and thats usually japans biggest threat. on top of that, there are no crate shipments, so TP civs are a bit hampered. Then again, same goes for brits/japan/dutch, who need wood crates for their boom, so that may not actually be a valid argument. That said, every civ can take tps, if you have something else on top of that, will be even better.

so yes, i think japan would be quite strong in such a setting, but i dont think they would be strongest. their civ bonus in such a setting is similar to brits (its kinda a mix between dutch and brits civ bonus), but weaker i think.
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Brit boom pays off in short run so wood wont be a problem for brits. I think even if no shipments sent brits can destroy japan in 10 mins
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Aztecs wouldn't be bad imo
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Ashvin wrote:
JakeyBoyTH wrote:
Pseudo-ku wrote:It may be unconventional, but I think Otto. If players could not rely on booming with shipments, players will use the Mosque improvements in order to pull ahead.

:cry:
probably japan really

I dont agree, you want heavenly kami, cherry orchards, 7 vil shipment in fortress.
Actually japan relies heavily on shipments because if you cant boom good you are dead within 10 mins
Even if you go torri gates rush you need 5x ashi/yumi cards to continue the pressure

EDIT: @deleted_user @Goodspeed without orchards you think japan can even be viable?


With unit upgrades they can benefit a lot from their wonders and consulate. They would have decent unit buffs, and can boom ok with port consulate. Definitely would have strongest musk in the game without shipments - and access (partly) to AA. On maps where berries are plentiful they could probably do quite well. It would still take a lot longer to get an army - but so would other civs, especially without 3/2v, which you don't send with Japan anyway.
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Brit then jap, basically any civ with an eco bonus
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I think it's sioux because they have anyway few shipement because of the lack of xp (no house, not always TP) and relativly weak shipement I think. Port should be good too and maybe dutch (not sure on ep because of xo from banks).

Brit shipement seems underrated for me. They have a lot of them because they get some xp from manor and have a lot of production in general+their shipements are strong in late game (I mean they have good shipements to send in late game compare to other civs). It's kinda the same for japan.
Aztec get tons of xp so no shipements would hurt them (same for otto).
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Well realistically speaking we're stuck in age 2, for starters, so good age 2 civs would win it. Brits of course come to mind because by building houses you're actually expanding your economy which is pretty nice, same for Japan, and both brits and japan have a pretty good colonial agenda. Then there's also Ports, ports don't actually lose out on 3v so they'll basically age with 13 villagers (normal) while brits will be at 14 villagers max. Then yes brits will be getting more villagers from manors but how the hell are you going to break 2 TCs early on without shipments? I can see ports beating brits in this format. Note that Ports actually start with 1 extra villager and that that, in this case, isn't to compensate for their shitty early game.
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So I tested ports and they're actually pretty good still. At 10 minutes I managed to acquire 40 musks, 38 villagers and a bunch of leftover resources with a score of 108. With brits I had slightly fewer musks, with a slower early game, although not all out boomy to be fair, and 37 villagers with 110 score (note manors inflated score by 3.5 points) but not having 2 town centers like I did as ports.

In the end I think my testing strongly indicates ports could at least compete with brits, and honestly I don't see how a brit player can outrush or outscale the port player without shipments.

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