Serious post...few gold mines with france are a pain
Serious post...few gold mines with france are a pain
Soooo hello ESOC guys, time for a serious post again ...I want all medium players like me or even below that to remind of an important thing by explaining my main mistake in the game to you:
I just played with French vs Russia on New England and had only 2 or 3 gold mines available he had at least 4. (obv Russia doesnt need that much gold anyway). My main mistake was that I didnt play like I should, I went for a semi-ff with some huss and then spammed cuirassiers (each one 150g) and my gold ran out faster than I expected and even had to switch to xbow pike at some point. If I did it correct I couldve gone for at least a little bit water play (boats on whales) and/or first a colonial play with xbow/pike (or even xbow huss or musk/xbow????) to not waste gold so fast. So always adapt on how your resources allow you to play...
By the way I might be totally wrong with this thread, so correct me if I am wrong but it happened the first time to me that I was out of coin that fast and think I had to play it like mentioned before. Tips for better strats on such sh*tty maps are welcome.
ps: I hope you like this thread @deleted_user4
I just played with French vs Russia on New England and had only 2 or 3 gold mines available he had at least 4. (obv Russia doesnt need that much gold anyway). My main mistake was that I didnt play like I should, I went for a semi-ff with some huss and then spammed cuirassiers (each one 150g) and my gold ran out faster than I expected and even had to switch to xbow pike at some point. If I did it correct I couldve gone for at least a little bit water play (boats on whales) and/or first a colonial play with xbow/pike (or even xbow huss or musk/xbow????) to not waste gold so fast. So always adapt on how your resources allow you to play...
By the way I might be totally wrong with this thread, so correct me if I am wrong but it happened the first time to me that I was out of coin that fast and think I had to play it like mentioned before. Tips for better strats on such sh*tty maps are welcome.
ps: I hope you like this thread @deleted_user4
If you see any mistakes in my grammar/vocabulary or whatever, please correct me. I really appreciate it
Re: Serious post...few gold mines with france are a pain
You are not supposed to spam cuirassiers (although it hurts me to say this). The problem with cuirassiers is not that they cost "a lot" of coin - they in fact cost 50% coin and 50% food, just like dragoons (which are the unit you should have been making probably). Skirmishers are even more gold heavy as they cost 57% coin and 43% food. Three gold mines are enough to go to the Fortress Age with, and no, don't make fishing boats as France. It is possible to play it out in Colonial Age, but going to Fortress Age is by no means a bad decision. Russia really struggles against France in general, so you can do whatever you please, more or less. More often than not, I would go with a 10 hussar semi-FF.
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Re: Serious post...few gold mines with france are a pain
Gendarme wrote:You are not supposed to spam cuirassiers (although it hurts me to say this). The problem with cuirassiers is not that they cost "a lot" of coin - they in fact cost 50% coin and 50% food, just like dragoons (which are the unit you should have been making probably). Skirmishers are even more gold heavy as they cost 57% coin and 43% food. Three gold mines are enough to go to the Fortress Age with, and no, don't make fishing boats as France. It is possible to play it out in Colonial Age, but going to Fortress Age is by no means a bad decision. Russia really struggles against France in general, so you can do whatever you please, more or less. More often than not, I would go with a 10 hussar semi-FF.
in this case making some boats wouldnt be too bad i think.
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Re: Serious post...few gold mines with france are a pain
It would, because it takes way too long for a 200w dock + 100w fishing boats to pay off. You will simply have to invest too much wood into it, leaving your land army worthless.
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Re: Serious post...few gold mines with france are a pain
3 gold mines should easily be enough, by the time they are depleted you should have a solid age 3 mass already, that russia usually can't hold. You just push and grab mapcontrol, and win.
That's provided you have enough hunts though. If your food really sucks, you will probably have to go for age 2 timing push with your cdbs, to break the fb and get map.
Don't make fishing boats btw, it's too slow to pay off. For 800w, you can have 10 cdbs on a plantation, or 6 fishing boats on whales. Whales and plantations have the same gathering speed, so 10 cbs on a plantation are actually worth 12.5 fishing boats on whales. Even if we nitpick and say that cdbs have to move on plantations, which makes the gathering a bit lower, and that you can upgrade your fishing boats more easily than plantations, I don't think going for a dock is better.
That's provided you have enough hunts though. If your food really sucks, you will probably have to go for age 2 timing push with your cdbs, to break the fb and get map.
Don't make fishing boats btw, it's too slow to pay off. For 800w, you can have 10 cdbs on a plantation, or 6 fishing boats on whales. Whales and plantations have the same gathering speed, so 10 cbs on a plantation are actually worth 12.5 fishing boats on whales. Even if we nitpick and say that cdbs have to move on plantations, which makes the gathering a bit lower, and that you can upgrade your fishing boats more easily than plantations, I don't think going for a dock is better.
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More importantly, it takes forever to build 10 fishing boats from one dock - and each additional dock costs 200w, and where will you find a window to fish boom anyway so that it has pays off by the time you want to push?
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Gendarme wrote:More importantly, it takes forever to build 10 fishing boats from one dock - and each additional dock costs 200w, and where will you find a window to fish boom anyway so that it has pays off by the time you want to push?
k i think i played too much aoeo boats there have op gather rate
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Re: Serious post...few gold mines with france are a pain
Mameluke wrote:Gendarme wrote:More importantly, it takes forever to build 10 fishing boats from one dock - and each additional dock costs 200w, and where will you find a window to fish boom anyway so that it has pays off by the time you want to push?
k i think i played too much aoeo boats there have op gather rate
fish boom as france ??
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JakeyBoyTH wrote:Mameluke wrote:Gendarme wrote:More importantly, it takes forever to build 10 fishing boats from one dock - and each additional dock costs 200w, and where will you find a window to fish boom anyway so that it has pays off by the time you want to push?
k i think i played too much aoeo boats there have op gather rate
fish boom as france ??
i heard in some streams of interjection that you COULD go for water also as france...well maybe he was wrong there.
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Re: Serious post...few gold mines with france are a pain
u see diarouga vs kaiser
kasier didnt no anything on water cause 100w too much to invest and french land boom > sea boom anyway. It's quickr and better
kasier didnt no anything on water cause 100w too much to invest and french land boom > sea boom anyway. It's quickr and better
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Re: Serious post...few gold mines with france are a pain
You can ship 1000 coin for a decisive push, take the trading route to have a steady income of gold, though basically once you have it in the third age in such a MU it's very tough to lose, which makes your next moves rather irrelevant. A thing to consider, apart from those mentioned above, is switching to veteran xbow + pike composition, as it's easy to spam and doesn't require as much effort and as many expenses as switching to 800-wood plantations. Adding natives can be somewhat beneficial, too, but it depends on the circumstances, of course. If you're playing as the Portuguese, you can send the Treaty of Tordesillas card for guard Besteiros.
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