Useless units?

[aligator92]

25 posts and nobody has mentioned fail elifents?

[Googol]

Flail elephants are op

[sebnan12]

@wilsonshaheen

dont insult living gods....

[duckzilla]

25 posts and nobody has mentioned fail elifents?

Flail elephants OP.
Slow melee siege units --> completely OP and broken

[Asateo]

25 posts and nobody has mentioned fail elifents?

Flail elephants OP.
Slow melee siege units --> completely OP and broken

Are you being serious? Granted, I sometimes use them to punish a FI/Revolt build, but it's about their only use. They are literally hopeless against any unit.

[ind_panther]

Flail elephants are op

Yeah, they are the OP units after Aiz's petards XD

[Imperial Noob]

pet animals from shitments: Lhota the Tame Lion, Kermond the Tame Komodo Dragon, Randy the Tame Rhino, Gentle Pete the Tame (Black?)Bear, Fang The Tame Coyote,
Also Old Doug the Tame Orangutan (200 rofl)

wokou pirates, blind monks, wokou riders... and comparable scum

Trashunke Prowlers @dicktator_ mentioned

Arsonist the 28 Range Damage, Jat Lancer the Age IV Unit , Yojimbo the Why Not 5 in Shipment?

The rest can be found in FFA grenadier/siege ele/ram wall cleaning service, wolves in Town Destroyer rushes, Rajputs and Halberdiers in situational pops from raxes, mansabdars in general armies, most mercs in FFA merc timings, ninjas in the roles of spies/antimercs

[duckzilla]

25 posts and nobody has mentioned fail elifents?

Flail elephants OP.
Slow melee siege units --> completely OP and broken

Are you being serious? Granted, I sometimes use them to punish a FI/Revolt build, but it's about their only use. They are literally hopeless against any unit.

Nope, good dose of sarcasm.
Though they are some kind of broken, as they are utter nonsense units and not even situational (with the rare exception of the Indian team card which then again is only worth it in 3v3 or 4v4).
Melee units tend to be weak in this game anyway, but slow melee siege units like the flail elephant or the iroquois battering ram (which either have a very weak or no melee attack against units at all) are imo the worst possible unit idea.

[tedere12]

I remember one time sir_musket beat duck with arsonists

[aligator92]

I think Aizamk actually beat Garja with Arsonists once

[momuuu]

Halbs, grens, rajputs, samurai, yabu, and those Sioux cav that get stronger with numbers (won't bother trying to spell their name).

I guess some of these units have their (very) niche uses but I'm a fairly standard player, so unless I'm not playing seriously you'll never see me make any of the above units.

I think samurai are viable against aztec actually.

[aligator92]

Halbs, grens, rajputs, samurai, yabu, and those Sioux cav that get stronger with numbers (won't bother trying to spell their name).

I guess some of these units have their (very) niche uses but I'm a fairly standard player, so unless I'm not playing seriously you'll never see me make any of the above units.

I think samurai are viable against aztec actually.

That is if aztec is me :(

[momuuu]

Halbs, grens, rajputs, samurai, yabu, and those Sioux cav that get stronger with numbers (won't bother trying to spell their name).

I guess some of these units have their (very) niche uses but I'm a fairly standard player, so unless I'm not playing seriously you'll never see me make any of the above units.

I think samurai are viable against aztec actually.

That is if aztec is me :(

Not really, I think yumi samurai is simply a great unit composition against aztec.

[gh0st]

such an offending thread for @Aizamk

[Gendarme]

@momuuu You just make Aztec's best unit even stronger with that composition, do you not? The reason xbow/huss is the main composition is to force Aztec to make things other than mace, innit?

[Darwin_]

I think samurai are viable against aztec actually.

That is if aztec is me :(

Not really, I think yumi samurai is simply a great unit composition against aztec.

I can speak from experience that this is very true. Same goes for club/yumi.

But on topic, rajputs are pretty useless, same goes for galleons and fluyts.

[Asateo]

But on topic, rajputs are pretty useless, same goes for galleons and fluyts.

True, but sometimes because resources its good you can make them. It's the only unit in the game that costs food/wood (besides mahout which is age3). So if you have some gold, at least you can make something.

[Gendarme]

"Only unit in the game" is somewhat of an overstatement. Also, you're usually probably just better off temporarily halting military production and task more villagers to coin if you have too much wood instead of wasting it on rajputs. If you're trying to sepoy rush and mismacroed that early in the game you're bound to lose anyways. I think it's hard to find a situation where making rajputs because you have mismacroed is a good thing.

[pecelot]

Also Old Doug the Tame Orangutan (200 rofl)

They don't require anything to be trained, so once you're in a late stage of the game and have the entire population space taken, they can be somewhat useful

[Darwin_]

But on topic, rajputs are pretty useless, same goes for galleons and fluyts.

True, but sometimes because resources its good you can make them. It's the only unit in the game that costs food/wood (besides mahout which is age3). So if you have some gold, at least you can make something.

IMO you're better off selling your wood and making sepoys.

[Gendarme]

selling your wood

This hurts my soul!

[aligator92]

@momuuu You just make Aztec's best unit even stronger with that composition, do you not? The reason xbow/huss is the main composition is to force Aztec to make things other than mace, innit?

Yumi deal with mace pretty effectively. But they need protection from coyotes which is what the samurai excel at. And I think he is not speaking about early colonial but a little later on when you can actually get 10-12 Samurai out and the mace shipments have already been sent.

[pecelot]

It's like the discussion about what units to make when you run of of coin — research veterancy upgrades for pikemen and crossbowmen or switch to expensive plantations/sell other resources for coin

[fei123456]

Why yumi samurai? It should be naginata+club+samurai(+sentry+melee heroes)

[tedere12]

yeah yumi samurai sounds pretty bad vs azz imo