Meteor hammer and Iron Flail

What is your opinion about it?

Need a nerf
7
16%
They're fine as they are now
32
71%
Need a buff
6
13%
 
Total votes: 45

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Meteor hammer and Iron Flail

Post by DaRkNiTe1698 »

Does anyone think, like me, that these units need a nerf?
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in ep they're fine imo
and the territory army (3 changdao 3 arquebusier) needs a buff

in RE, a batch of cav (830 res) takes 29s to train (in EP it's 34s? still very fast), while terrotory army (540 res) takes 33s. that's quite unfair.
this makes it difficult for china to deal with mass skirm, backed up with enough anticav.
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both totally fine, stop trying to standardize everything in the game and go play fre mirrors
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they are just fine, changing their stats would make no sense
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They're good but not OP. After the card they're OP but people ignore it.
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DaRkNiTe1698 wrote:Does anyone think, like me, that these units need a nerf?

No
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tedere12 wrote:they are just fine, changing their stats would make no sense

Ep team seems to love changes that makes no sense
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They're more or less fine (especially after the nerf to train time), thanks to how bad Iron Flails are. Ideally, Flail cost were buffed and Hammer cost nerfed.

Double-faced Armor remains as over-rated as ever.
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lemmings121 wrote:both totally fine, stop trying to standardize everything in the game and go play fre mirrors
Buffing or nerfing is not what standardizing means. What you mean is "change".
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zoom wrote:
lemmings121 wrote:both totally fine, stop trying to standardize everything in the game and go play fre mirrors
Buffing or nerfing is not what standardizing means. What you mean is "change".


Im not so sure. sometimes having one Op thing in a civ is just design, example, you cant just nerf brit boom, or remove free uhlans from germany. yea its op sometimes, but its also what defines those civs. I would say the same about chinas fortress having strong cav and bad anticav.
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Iron flail are not bad at all, especially after the double-armor card. 400hp and 40% rr is like dealing with mams.
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Ok I can see most of votes gone into the second option so yeah, they're fine as they are right now. Thanks for sharing opinions about this , guys
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lemmings121 wrote:
zoom wrote:
lemmings121 wrote:both totally fine, stop trying to standardize everything in the game and go play fre mirrors
Buffing or nerfing is not what standardizing means. What you mean is "change".


Im not so sure. sometimes having one Op thing in a civ is just design, example, you cant just nerf brit boom, or remove free uhlans from germany. yea its op sometimes, but its also what defines those civs. I would say the same about chinas fortress having strong cav and bad anticav.

:hmm: Buffing or nerfing is not what standardizing means. What you mean is "change".
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sebnan12 wrote:
lemmings121 wrote:
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Im not so sure. sometimes having one Op thing in a civ is just design, example, you cant just nerf brit boom, or remove free uhlans from germany. yea its op sometimes, but its also what defines those civs. I would say the same about chinas fortress having strong cav and bad anticav.

:hmm: Buffing or nerfing is not what standardizing means. What you mean is "change".

:hmm: Im not so sure. sometimes having one Op thing in a civ is just design, example, you cant just nerf brit boom, or remove free uhlans from germany. yea its op sometimes, but its also what defines those civs. I would say the same about chinas fortress having strong cav and bad anticav.
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China cant skirm goon pls nerf @Goodspeed @zoom
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We need a change that gives them european army: 3 skirms and 2 goons for each batch
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What about "indian army pre EP 4"?
3 sepoy + 2 sepoy for each batch
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stupid logic. noob players can say op?
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lemmings121 wrote:
zoom wrote:
lemmings121 wrote:both totally fine, stop trying to standardize everything in the game and go play fre mirrors
Buffing or nerfing is not what standardizing means. What you mean is "change".


Im not so sure. sometimes having one Op thing in a civ is just design, example, you cant just nerf brit boom, or remove free uhlans from germany. yea its op sometimes, but its also what defines those civs. I would say the same about chinas fortress having strong cav and bad anticav.


super agree.
But we must to buff spain
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lemmings121 wrote:both totally fine, stop trying to standardize everything in the game and go play fre mirrors
Are you talking with me? By the way, I like what you wrote about the design of civs, but I think a civ which has very strong units, then should have way less supply, and china mass is very good as well
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DaRkNiTe1698 wrote:
lemmings121 wrote:both totally fine, stop trying to standardize everything in the game and go play fre mirrors
Are you talking with me? By the way, I like what you wrote about the design of civs, but I think a civ which has very strong units, then should have way less supply, and china mass is very good as well


yep, maybe 220 pop is op, but since in sup we never get close to 200 I'm not annoyed by chinas 220...
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Garja wrote:Iron flail are not bad at all, especially after the double-armor card. 400hp and 40% rr is like dealing with mams.
Yes. Dying is the only thing they do well.
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how about russian hammer and sickel instead?
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P i k i l i c wrote:
sebnan12 wrote:
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:hmm: Buffing or nerfing is not what standardizing means. What you mean is "change".

:hmm: Im not so sure. sometimes having one Op thing in a civ is just design, example, you cant just nerf brit boom, or remove free uhlans from germany. yea its op sometimes, but its also what defines those civs. I would say the same about chinas fortress having strong cav and bad anticav.

Design=/=Balance... Manors costing 135 wood or 20 wood would not be the same thing obviously :ugeek:
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stupid logic. noob players can say op?
toxic, Insult, Racism ?
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zoom wrote:
Garja wrote:Iron flail are not bad at all, especially after the double-armor card. 400hp and 40% rr is like dealing with mams.
Yes. Dying is the only thing they do well.

and winning games
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