EP poll #7
EP poll #7
Hi all,
Time for another balance poll.
The previous poll was in November 2017, some time has passed since then and a tournament played. We are curious where you all think balance is at right now. Our main focus for next iteration will be Sioux. We are happy people are finally talking about this civ, and feel in a better position to deal with them effectively now.
The questions other than civ balance are optional.
The form
Results
Remember, this is only for 1v1.
Thanks in advance
Time for another balance poll.
The previous poll was in November 2017, some time has passed since then and a tournament played. We are curious where you all think balance is at right now. Our main focus for next iteration will be Sioux. We are happy people are finally talking about this civ, and feel in a better position to deal with them effectively now.
The questions other than civ balance are optional.
The form
Results
Remember, this is only for 1v1.
Thanks in advance
Re: EP poll #7
Goodspeed wrote:Remember, this is only for 1v1.
whoops, voted on dutch with team in mind. whatever, fuck dutch
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Cometk wrote:Goodspeed wrote:Remember, this is only for 1v1.
whoops, voted on dutch with team in mind. whatever, fuck dutch
I am surprised you didn't vote with dm in mind
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i probably underated dutch in the poll
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The questionaire should have no opinion option for each civilization for those who haven't played/ are not in position to comment about it, for a better optimized result.
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Thanks for making this.
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I accidentally rated my confidence interval way too high (small? narrow?). I've learned to be not confident in these sorts of matters
Nonetheless I think things are fookin peachy :thumbsup:
Nonetheless I think things are fookin peachy :thumbsup:
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Am I the only one that feels like this thread should be moved to AoE3 General because no one ever checks this forum?
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No, same actually. Imo move it then move it back to the EP forum after a while so it's archived in the right place
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I wonder why Iroquois are considered so bad. From what i have seen they don't really lack features or options in comparison to other civs. But i might be wrong. If that was the case i think changing the colonial crates from 600 to 700 would be a good start (if not enough to bring them on par with other civs).
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stupid logic. noob players can say op?
toxic, Insult, Racism ?
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Iro are not weak, idk why they're rated so low
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I generally agree with results, except i wouldn't rate Otto and Iro so low. Currently Japan and Russia are among weakest civs...
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Garja wrote:Sioux
India
Brit Dutch China Aztecs Jap
Port Fre Iro Germans Spain Russia
Otto
Japan seems a bit high on this tier list
France should also be at least one or two tiers higher, IMO.
If I had to make a tier list this would be mine, I think:
Tier 1
Sioux
Tier 2
Brit, French, Dutch, Spain, Portuguese
Tier 2.5
China? German? India?
(Not sure that these civs really fit here. I feel like they could be stronger than this, but also don't feel threatened when playing against them. Possibly fit into tier 2 or 3 depending on the map/situation.)
Tier 3
Ottoman, Aztec, Russia, Iroquois
Trash Tier
Japan
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Japan can beat Brit, Fre, Dutch, Spain, Port just as much as it loses to themif not more. Prob beat Otto just fine and can deal with Iro I think.
French to me is the most versatile but objectively less competitive out of the semi FF civs. I'd rank iro and Ports above them, especially since they prob win the direct MU.
India beats Dutch in more than one way and I'm pretty sure also beats Fre and Ports (woth differemt strats) Prob lose to Iro and dunno about Ger at the moment (prob wins if Ger get nerfed). They beat Aztec/Brits/Jap rather comfy and should be fine vs China and Russia (ofc very different MUs). Oto shouldnt be a problem either now.
French to me is the most versatile but objectively less competitive out of the semi FF civs. I'd rank iro and Ports above them, especially since they prob win the direct MU.
India beats Dutch in more than one way and I'm pretty sure also beats Fre and Ports (woth differemt strats) Prob lose to Iro and dunno about Ger at the moment (prob wins if Ger get nerfed). They beat Aztec/Brits/Jap rather comfy and should be fine vs China and Russia (ofc very different MUs). Oto shouldnt be a problem either now.
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Why japan is trash tier? they arent that diferent from Re where they were a solid civ.
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I think this would be my list:
Tier 1
Sioux, Brits
Tier 2
Dutch, India
Tier 3
Iroquois, Portuguese, Spain, China
Tier 4
France, Germany, Aztecs, Ottoman
Tier 5
Russia, Japan
The tiers are pretty close to each other, though. Especially tiers 2 to 4. Civs could switch tiers easily depending on the map.
Tier 1
Sioux, Brits
Tier 2
Dutch, India
Tier 3
Iroquois, Portuguese, Spain, China
Tier 4
France, Germany, Aztecs, Ottoman
Tier 5
Russia, Japan
The tiers are pretty close to each other, though. Especially tiers 2 to 4. Civs could switch tiers easily depending on the map.
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Kaiserklein wrote:I think this would be my list:
Tier 1
Sioux, Brits
Tier 2
Dutch, India
Tier 3
Iroquois, Portuguese, Spain, China
Tier 4
France, Germany, Aztecs, Ottoman
Tier 5
Russia, Japan
The tiers are pretty close to each other, though. Especially tiers 2 to 4. Civs could switch tiers easily depending on the map.
Id agree but fre ger in tier 3 and iro in tier 4
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Re: EP poll #7
Porto, spain and iro > Fre/Germ
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lemmings121 wrote:Why japan is trash tier? they arent that diferent from Re where they were a solid civ.
wall nerf yumi nerf fi nerf wut u want more
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KINGofOsmane wrote:lemmings121 wrote:Why japan is trash tier? they arent that diferent from Re where they were a solid civ.
wall nerf yumi nerf fi nerf wut u want more
NERFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
am i the only one that is feeling that brit needs a nerf?
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KINGofOsmane wrote:lemmings121 wrote:Why japan is trash tier? they arent that diferent from Re where they were a solid civ.
wall nerf yumi nerf fi nerf wut u want more
I'm just asking, i dont really play japs so no need to pretend i know better then others
tbf, yumi and fi nerf are only late game nerfs, in the early game, the only change is weaker walls. is that enough to bring a civ from "pretty good" to "useless trash" ?
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lemmings121 wrote:KINGofOsmane wrote:lemmings121 wrote:Why japan is trash tier? they arent that diferent from Re where they were a solid civ.
wall nerf yumi nerf fi nerf wut u want more
I'm just asking, i dont really play japs so no need to pretend i know better then others
tbf, yumi and fi nerf are only late game nerfs, in the early game, the only change is weaker walls. is that enough to bring a civ from "pretty good" to "useless trash" ?
Since Japan is better in the late game.. but i think they are still far from useless trash. (i dont play jap too )
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lemmings121 wrote:KINGofOsmane wrote:lemmings121 wrote:Why japan is trash tier? they arent that diferent from Re where they were a solid civ.
wall nerf yumi nerf fi nerf wut u want more
I'm just asking, i dont really play japs so no need to pretend i know better then others
tbf, yumi and fi nerf are only late game nerfs, in the early game, the only change is weaker walls. is that enough to bring a civ from "pretty good" to "useless trash" ?
more like mid game bit after u hit age 3
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