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From the few times I did watch it looked great, definitely a big success that should be repeated imo. Some things I think would make it even better:

- Make it 2 days and include a round of 32 which is bo1. Make the round of 16 bo3.
- Introduce a point system where players get points depending on where they finished and keep leaderboards. Then maybe organize some round robin event end of the year where the top 5 battle it out for the final victory. The advantage of round robin besides the increased amount of high level games is that you can have everyone play each other twice and you can alternate having the first pick, making it perfectly balanced.
- The betting event needs a dedicated admin and more exposure. I think it would be very fun to include in an event like this if there are enough participants.

In general I think we should do more small round robin events. It's a very good format when you have few players actually competing.
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yes to round robin for winners
no to round of 16 bo3!
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princeofcarthage wrote:Thanks for your feedback, but I think it's wrong of you to say we weren't actively looking for casters, considering I personally pm'd over 10 people and mitoe was asking as well. Regarding caster and co-caster, when we first decided to host it, It was decided that I would cast it with rotating co-casters. But later it was improvised to have 2-3 main casters in rotation. After that like I posted in earlier posts I did ask for main casters and yet I had no replies. I think after being asked it's casters responsibility to reply back with preferred timings.

Well I wasn't actually talking about whether you did or didn't look actively for casters. I was mostly replying to what you said: "It was your stuff to figure out how you would cast together and simultaneously play in the series and then reach out to us with a schedule.". But how are we supposed to have a schedule? See, I lost in RO16 so I could have casted, but I might as well have gone to semi finals. I can't know in advance when I'm going to be available, I don't have a schedule.
Imo you either need to focus on the casters. Co-casters aren't a big deal since they can switch easily without needing to restart the stream (which you want to avoid as much as possible). Try to rely on casters that are not participating in the event, or then have several possible players casting, in case some can't. But I know the latter isn't always possible because you may not have enough volunteers.
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I loved the event , there should be more of these :) . The delay in streaming/ scheduling issues could be improved. A lot of times it felt that the streamer was not sure what to do next after a game ended. Ideally the stream shud see back to back matches with like max 5-10 min gaps.

2 days event YES. Everything before semis on Saturday , Semi and Finals on Sunday.
Finals BO5 , Semi BO3 , rest all BO1.
Total 32 players in the tournament seems good.

As far as streaming matches is concerned :
Lets say a standard non-kynisie match takes about 20 mins , 5 mins for players joining , 5 mins misc. So we have a total of 30 mins per game.
Stream around half the games of RO32 , RO16 and all games of RO8. That is a total of 8 + 4 + 4 = 16 games to be streamed on Saturday. (so 8 hrs)
So, if us lazy bunch start the event at 14:00 GMT , then we are done by 22:00 GMT. We can stretch a couple of hours here and there etc.

The bracket can be setup with a scheduled time, with a gap of 30 mins after each game. Thus players know whom and when will they play etc. similar thingy for casters.

If ESOC can pull of 75% of above , next event will be more smooth :D
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how would you streeam all ro 8 matches if theres only 1 caster ? That would create at least 2 hours of waiting for the last ro 8 match which is very unfair to the players and dragging out the tourney.
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Yeah can't stream all ro8 matches for sure, I am also of the opinion of 2 days for the next event, we had discussed the possibility of multiple streams this time as well, one of the main problem is lack of casters
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princeofcarthage wrote:Yeah can't stream all ro8 matches for sure, I am also of the opinion of 2 days for the next event, we had discussed the possibility of multiple streams this time as well, one of the main problem is lack of casters

I'll do it!
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never said only 1 caster, 1 person cannot cast for 9 hrs straight. Except Veni , maybe inter :D. Small delay for players is acceptable i feel.
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ssaraf wrote:never said only 1 caster, 1 person cannot cast for 9 hrs straight. Except Veni , maybe inter :D. Small delay for players is acceptable i feel.

define small delays. I had like 5 hours downtime. probably 6 and i played like 3 hours./ If anyone wants to check my replays how long i played infact would be appreciated. :) )
thats pretty fucking bad-
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princeofcarthage wrote:Yeah can't stream all ro8 matches for sure, I am also of the opinion of 2 days for the next event, we had discussed the possibility of multiple streams this time as well, one of the main problem is lack of casters

I'll do it!

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momuuu wrote:
deleted_user wrote:
princeofcarthage wrote:Yeah can't stream all ro8 matches for sure, I am also of the opinion of 2 days for the next event, we had discussed the possibility of multiple streams this time as well, one of the main problem is lack of casters

I'll do it!

Ah callen, you are a good caster but don't make promises you'll not want to live up to. It's a bad habit. "An honest man never promises anything"

I've never once backed out of a casting gig that I'd said I'd do, and I've casted a lot of matches. But I do appreciate your concern! I'm only talking about casting a couple of the later series when they get good so a match isn't missed. That's very appealing to me.
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Just highlight couple games per round on saturday and let players know in advance that the game will be streamed.
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momuuu wrote:About the seeding: At some point it was decided that developing an automated seeding process would vastly improve the efficiency of the seeding process and release the burden on staff. I think that in practise unforseen circumstances fuck up the seeding system and create more work than that manual seeding would. If just one guy could quickly export the details, check them, use challonge or something, and then easily enter them into the system, I think that would be about as efficient as having someone with enough expertise (relatively rare in the staff at least back when I was part of it) run the seeding programm multiple times to correct all mistakes that will inevitably happen.

This event was seeded manually, pretty much as you describe.
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Starting these at 15 GMT is a really bad time for me. Maybe if the starting time was varied by a few hours from event to event more people could participate?
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I greatly appreciate the feedback here and also the praise. Here is my takeaway for improving the event:

- Multiple streams will allow for almost all of the games to be casted
- Event might be better if spread over 2 days (however, if time allows it and players are open to it, it could be completed in 1). This makes a BO3 RO16 very feasible (however, there is also a lot of demand for BO1 games!)
- There is interest in a season-style event (like earning points for how far you go in a tour, tracked throughout the entirety of the season's run)
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Keep bo1 ro16. More fun!
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wouldnt a tournament like this benefit from recorded games being casted till round of 8? i mean ye u give away the winner in advance but that would speed up the earlier rounds quite well.
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Some extra feedback:

- Show the state of the tournament in text small below. Like "RO64", "RO32" etc...
- For next time a thumbnail for on YouTube is useful. I can help with that.
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some extra feedback: give me my money. I wanna buy chucks but im broke so give me ma money
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Mitoe wrote:Sorry for making you wait so long, by the way :(



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lordraphael wrote:some extra feedback: give me my money. I wanna buy chucks but im broke so give me ma money

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When I first heard about this tourney I thought it was a great idea. As I have a relatively busy real life, the idea of being able to play a few games on a (for me) Sunday afternoon, without commiting to days or weeks of games, was great. I love the idea in principle.

As I see that this is a less formal (perhaps more speed run) tournament, that requires less commitment, I also feel it is important to keep the time span to a minimum. This would mean BO 1 RO 16 and being more fluid with the streaming schedule to keep to a shorter tourney length.

Obviously this may result in upsets. But, as this is a more casual tournament, I think this isn't a problem and actually adds to the viewing experience.

In order to allow greater accessibility to the tournament, the schedule needs to be kept to more strictly (meaning more fluid choice in casting of games) and best of one series for the round of 16.

Thanks for taking the time to read. :)

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