UNITS THAT SUCK

[macacoalbino]

the one day i thought i could use Spies to counter Mamelukes, that was a sad day

spys are only good after the assassin or agent card (50% dmg + bigger bonus or 50% hp and los)

Theres no way Im wasting a card on these guys lol

[ssaraf]

The fat envoy, cant even run, cant even hide ... Why not they get the 'TAKA' (the french scout).

[deleted_user0]

Longbow

[macacoalbino]

Longbow

Lb with good positioning = op
Lb in any other situation = expensive strelets

[Jaeger]

They are OK in mass

Not really and absolutely not worth their cost and investment.

Lol I played a couple games where I lost 20 vills to stealthy toshune prowlers

[Jaeger]

Longbow

Lb with good positioning = op
Lb in any other situation = expensive strelets

lb vs musk = bad
lb vs anything else = OP

[macacoalbino]

even if they were supposed to counter musk lol

[Papist]

Nobody makes pure lb though. A good Brit player has them behind his own musks.

[macacoalbino]

or walls

[Jaeger]

Yeah but you need like a 5:1 ratio of musks:lb to win vs pure musk., so ery few lb. However, when there are no musks involved lb rape both skirms and goons.

[zoom]

Longbowmen are awesome, albeit a little unreliable and lackluster against heavy infantry. They are nothing like Strelets.

[momuuu]

Longbows dont counter HI that well but dont really lose to cav either and win vs other skirm types. So a strong unit.

[zoom]

Longbowmen defnitely lose to heavy cavalry, just not as badly as you'd expect them to.

[tedere12]

maces are expensive strelets with 16 range.

[momuuu]

Longbowmen defnitely lose to heavy cavalry, just not as badly as you''d expect them to.

yeah thats what I was trying to say. If the mass gets really serious they almost do fine vs cav.

[Kaiserklein]

Lbs are polyvalent, just like xbows are on nilla. They still lose vs cav, they still beat heavy infantry, but not by that much. They have a better attack than other RI units, but smaller multipliers, which make them beat other RI but be less efficient vs HI. They still have the same multiplier vs RC (*1.5) as other RI, but with better attack, so they basically rape those. So they are a good unit overall, even tho they can't hit and run, which might be their biggest drawback. Their incredible range compensates a lot for that

Maces have twice the ROF of strelets, making them much better, even tho hit and running without wasting shots becomes harder in the same time

I'm surprised nobody didn't talk about grenadiers in this topic yet...

[gibson]

I hate making lb because if they aren't standing still they just get raped. I'm pretty confident that moving lb is counter productive in just about every situation.

[tedere12]

Didn't know that thanks

[zoom]

Lbs are polyvalent, just like xbows are on nilla. They still lose vs cav, they still beat heavy infantry, but not by that much. They have a better attack than other RI units, but smaller multipliers, which make them beat other RI but be less efficient vs HI. They still have the same multiplier vs RC (*1.5) as other RI, but with better attack, so they basically rape those. So they are a good unit overall, even tho they can''t hit and run, which might be their biggest drawback. Their incredible range compensates a lot for that

Maces have twice the ROF of strelets, making them much better, even tho hit and running without wasting shots becomes harder in the same time

I''m surprised nobody didn''t talk about grenadiers in this topic yet...

Macehualtins are not much better than Strelets at all, if better in the first place. You must lack experience with at least one of the two to make that claim. Macehualtins do have two additional range, however...

[Einfein]

Macehualtins are not much better than Strelets at all, if better in the first place. You must lack experience with at least one of the two to make that claim. Macehualtins do have two additional range, however...

Mace have an incredible rate of fire which makes them better then their basic stats may suggest.

[lemmings121]

Lbs are polyvalent, just like xbows are on nilla. They still lose vs cav, they still beat heavy infantry, but not by that much. They have a better attack than other RI units, but smaller multipliers, which make them beat other RI but be less efficient vs HI. They still have the same multiplier vs RC (*1.5) as other RI, but with better attack, so they basically rape those. So they are a good unit overall, even tho they cant hit and run, which might be their biggest drawback. Their incredible range compensates a lot for that

Maces have twice the ROF of strelets, making them much better, even tho hit and running without wasting shots becomes harder in the same time

Im surprised nobody didnt talk about grenadiers in this topic yet...

Macehualtins are not much better than Strelets at all, if better in the first place. You must lack experience with at least one of the two to make that claim. Macehualtins do have two additional range, however...

iirc maces have twice the ROF of strelets, dont they?

[macacoalbino]

how much do they cost though? 40f40w?

[Jaeger]

Mace are much better at killing anticav fast because higher DPS, but if you don't care about killing the anticav fast then the strelets are much better.

[momuuu]

Maces don't suck. They're a nice colonial unit, but do get outranged by skirms too hard to be good in fortress. Fortunately ERK destroy everything in the game.