Kynesie's Approach

abbadan · Post by **abbadan** » 19 Aug 2015, 21:53

I''m going to start this with the embarrassing admission that most of you are MUCH better than I am at the game. Even so, I really love AoE3, and have been playing since the start of AoE. I have ADD and lose focus, I micro like crap, I can''t memorize troop stats and such, but I love playing and watching good players. Maybe you feel that way about tennis or something, idk...

Anyway, it''s bothered me that every time I hear commentary on Kynesie''s games there is a lot of "yada-yada" about the water, the walls, the turtling, etc. From my point of view - and I play a LOT of sports and competition - beat the man or just shut up.
I played competitive chess and I can tell you that a strong defender who wins end games is just as respected as any devil-may-care attacker. The analogy is that Kynesie offers his queen to sucker you into a mate' by the time you''ve broken down those walls to lay waste to his TCs (Portuguese) or whatever, he''s gotten to Imperial and you''re cooked, left to wonder "WTF?!!"
I even came up with a name for his strat: YODO: you only die once. All the YOLOers out there can kiss his behind (after you get through the walls he builds around them) if you can''t take him down.
Personally I''d like to see a match between him and that guy who is awesome as Russia (I''m really bad w names, sorry), just to see if Kynesie could keep up with a super hot rush...

Your thoughts are always welcome...
AbbaDan

Goodspeed · Post by **Goodspeed** » 19 Aug 2015, 21:56

That font size caught me off guard but yeah, walls are pretty broken

Kynesie is certainly good at the style though, there's no denying that.

Einfein · Post by **Einfein** » 19 Aug 2015, 22:22

I'm just happy that Kynesie is showing a new and viable way to play the game. If more people begin playing this way (I'm sure some will) new strategies may be created that defeat this play style etc. It just adds another element to the game which means more possibilities and possibly an evolving meta. That said, I can sympathize with players who feel frustrated by mass walls or simply prefer faster games.

@GS
Yes, that font size surprised me a bit as well...

Good ol Ivan · Post by **Good ol Ivan** » 20 Aug 2015, 01:14

Fuck walls

abbadan · Post by **abbadan** » 20 Aug 2015, 03:07

Very sorry about changing the font size. Meant nothing by it...

SoldieR · Post by **SoldieR** » 20 Aug 2015, 03:21

I think people dislike kynesie games because he is clearly not as good on land as other top players, but on water or turtling land jap, he uses things like fish and monitors, which can be considered op, and that's how he wins games.

Maybe that's a skill, but not in the traditional sense. I kinda like it tho. It makes the game more than just "balance res to spam more units at x:xx time to win"

momuuu · Post by **momuuu** » 20 Aug 2015, 04:25

Well, part of kynesies succes was indeed laming the water, and water is nothing short of stupid in my eyes.

gibson · Post by **gibson** » 20 Aug 2015, 04:27

I feel like especially on land maps his play style is just inferior. I mean all you have to do is control the map and eco, force him to move from behind his walls and then just win.

Post by **_H2O** » 20 Aug 2015, 04:37

I like kynesie. I think we need people with different styles. My frustration is from the other high level players who don't know how to play against the style. I want to see games where kynesie wins by playing his style so well that he out plays his opponent more so than the community just not getting how to play vs him. I think we are getting there though. Acergame showed that people are learning more.

momuuu · Post by **momuuu** » 20 Aug 2015, 04:45

Is there any chance though that kynesie would have gotten as far as he did in the tournement if we had had more land maps?

deleted_user0 · Post by **deleted_user0** » 20 Aug 2015, 04:55

Acer was his first real challenge and he lost, while 4 out of 7 maps had viable water

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 20 Aug 2015, 05:22

Kynesie has no problem vs a land rush. To kill walls, you have to timing.

adderbrain5 · Post by **adderbrain5** » 20 Aug 2015, 06:22

einfein wrote:Im just happy that Kynesie is showing a new and viable way to play the game. If more people begin playing this way (Im sure some will) new strategies may be created that defeat this play style etc. It just adds another element to the game which means more possibilities and possibly an evolving meta. That said, I can sympathize with players who feel frustrated by mass walls or simply prefer faster games.

@GS
Yes, that font size surprised me a bit as well...

h2o wrote:I like kynesie. I think we need people with different styles. My frustration is from the other high level players who dont know how to play against the style. I want to see games where kynesie wins by playing his style so well that he out plays his opponent more so than the community just not getting how to play vs him. I think we are getting there though. Acergame showed that people are learning more.

such a refreshing opinion to come from the ESOC community. Amen brother !Aoe3 lives!!!

_venox_ · Post by **_venox_** » 20 Aug 2015, 14:21

What the Yada-Yada shows is the frustration of the people who are unhappy in a way, unhappy about the balance of warships against land units, unhappy with the cost and "abuse-ability" of walls etc... and they show their frustration that they can't beat it and that it takes a lot of time.

About Yodo: I wouldn't want to kiss his behind because Yolo also implies that you live just once and not twice or more than once. Living once means that you should value your one life you got and that you should do the things you want to do in your life. Yolo doesn't mean to do stupid and really dangerous stuff (aoe3 related: all ins for example against a strategy where an all in will never work against).

With "the person who is aswesome as Russia" you might have had Darwin_Giovanny in mind, was it him you meant?

It's funny that I feel the same way about chess that you feel about aoe3, but I'm not sure if I really am a good aoe3 playah where you're a professional chess playah.

To be a so called "noob" at the game is nothing bad, after all people who are considered to be "noobs" are the basis of this game and make up a large part of the community. GG Dan

bobabu · Post by **bobabu** » 20 Aug 2015, 17:24

I like to watch kynesie's games because they are interesting. But playing against him is a different story. I prefer short games but that's just me (I'm not a very patient person). You have to accept his play style and learn to live with it. Maybe some of you play dota. If feel like kynesie is a techies player who is forcing long games. But if you know how to counter it, you can win. It's still gonna be a long game.

fightinfrenchman · Post by **fightinfrenchman** » 05 Jan 2017, 07:00

To be completely I honest I feel like half the reason that walls got nerfed in the EP is because many high level players did not want to adapt against the kynesie playstyle, they often have problems adjusting to different styles.

tedere12 · Post by **tedere12** » 05 Jan 2017, 07:08

Yesh!

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 05 Jan 2017, 08:16

also, according to the famous wookl, "wall makes a player lazy. that's why he lost to aiz."

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 05 Jan 2017, 08:16

walls and frigates are indeed broken. think of RE games, on indochina, he just build 8 layers of wall (240000hp lol), and boom boom boom go age 4: is that really balanced?
yeah on EP 1500hp walls are less op, so no one blames kynesie for that.

fightinfrenchman · Post by **fightinfrenchman** » 05 Jan 2017, 08:32

Couprider wrote:walls and frigates are indeed broken. think of RE games, on indochina, he just build 8 layers of wall (240000hp lol), and boom boom boom go age 4: is that really balanced?
yeah on EP 1500hp walls are less op, so no one blames kynesie for that.

Yeah it's balanced, just age up yourself. If he's hiding behind walls you can do it without fear. There's nothing wrong with going into late game, the game has 5 ages for a reason.

howlingwolfpaw · Post by **howlingwolfpaw** » 05 Jan 2017, 08:39

wood walls are far too strong. it was a good nerf. a few cannon balls should blow apart wood walls. They handles it in the right way.

Lets hope they did the same with the new TR patch iteration. Where walls will build 20% slower once upgraded... lets hope thats enough I feel like it needs a 50% minimum increase build time.

fightinfrenchman · Post by **fightinfrenchman** » 05 Jan 2017, 08:40

howlingwolfpaw wrote:wood walls are far too strong. it was a good nerf. a few cannon balls should blow apart wood walls. They handles it in the right way.

Lets hope they did the same with the new TR patch iteration. Where walls will build 20% slower once upgraded... lets hope thats enough I feel like it needs a 50% minimum increase build time.

Wood walls are up now, they were fine before. It's a change just to make a specific style of play unusable.

howlingwolfpaw · Post by **howlingwolfpaw** » 05 Jan 2017, 08:50

walls are still good, and with stone wall upgrade still get to regular stats so this style can still work. But for some reason walls are just too OP in this game and can be abused not like in other AOE games. where you had to macro for stone a limited resource and could not spam them the same way.

they are just palisade walls if you think about it why should it be harder to siege down a bunch of post rather than a building. It makes sense they are weaker

evilcheadar · Post by **evilcheadar** » 05 Jan 2017, 08:57

The wooden walls can be taken down fairly easily on RE, just make some flail elephents, grenadiers and such

howlingwolfpaw · Post by **howlingwolfpaw** » 05 Jan 2017, 08:59

for the cost and time to build they are Pretty OP. still good at lower HP and gives incentive to age up

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