AOE 3 So called RTS game ?

[medinos]

[div]We all know that the aoe 3 or the entire aoe franchise is an RTS game..

It is wierd that in aoe 3 crossbowmans or longbowmans are stronger then gun powder units like muskeeter its just strange...
Its just strange when there is a fight of stick and another stick against gun powder units...
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[princeofkabul]

Xbows and lbs sucks vs heavy inf tho.

[pecelot]

It is weird that cannons can shoot through walls.

[Durokan]

[div]We all know that the aoe 3 or the entire aoe franchise is an RTS game..

It is wierd that in aoe 3 crossbowmans or longbowmans are stronger then gun powder units like muskeeter its just strange...
Its just strange when there is a fight of stick and another stick against gun powder units...
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Well a gun is just really a stick and then that stick shoots a ball and thats not much different then a stick shooting a stick right?

[Metis]

[div]It is wierd that in aoe 3 crossbowmans or longbowmans are stronger then gun powder units like muskeeter its just strange...
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I take it that you either have never fired both a longbow and a smoothbore musket or know nothing of their history.

A black powder, smoothbore musket, loaded with buck and ball as was common in the day, is essentially a low-power 12 gauge shotgun. As such it has a maximum effective range of about a hundred yards but can be considered really lethal and accurate to only 50 yards. A smoothbore musket can be fired about four times a minute, if you are proficient. Conversely, a longbow, in trained hands, has an effective range of at least 200 yards and can be fired up to ten times a minute.

Even far into the age of gunpowder, crossbows and longbows were used. Coronado''s expedition has been tracked, in part, by the iron crossbow points that were shot but not recovered. The colonial British, though they also had muskets, relied a great deal on bows and crossbows for colony defense.

The reason that the musket finally prevailed is that it could be fired with reasonable accuracy without the long training necessary for the longbow. Even so, until the breech-loading repeating rifle came into use, the colonial-era military rifle was used as much as a spear as a firearm. Essentially, a line of infantry would get off one or two volleys then fix bayonets and charge.

[medinos]

[div]It is wierd that in aoe 3 crossbowmans or longbowmans are stronger then gun powder units like muskeeter its just strange...
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I take it that you either have never fired both a longbow and a smoothbore musket or know nothing of their history.

A black powder, smoothbore musket, loaded with buck and ball as was common in the day, is essentially a low-power 12 gauge shotgun. As such it has a maximum effective range of about a hundred yards but can be considered really lethal and accurate to only 50 yards. A smoothbore musket can be fired about four times a minute, if you are proficient. Conversely, a longbow, in trained hands, has an effective range of at least 200 yards and can be fired up to ten times a minute.

Even far into the age of gunpowder, crossbows and longbows were used. Coronados expedition has been tracked, in part, by the iron crossbow points that were shot but not recovered. The colonial British, though they also had muskets, relied a great deal on bows and crossbows for colony defense.

The reason that the musket finally prevailed is that it could be fired with reasonable accuracy without the long training necessary for the longbow. Even so, until the breech-loading repeating rifle came into use, the colonial-era military rifle was used as much as a spear as a firearm. Essentially, a line of infantry would get off one or two volleys then fix bayonets and charge.

All a load of sh*t...

[gibson]

I take it that you either have never fired both a longbow and a smoothbore musket or know nothing of their history.

A black powder, smoothbore musket, loaded with buck and ball as was common in the day, is essentially a?low-power 12 gauge shotgun. As such it has a maximum?effective range of?about a hundred yards but can be considered really lethal and accurate to only 50 yards. A smoothbore musket can?be fired about four times a minute, if you are proficient. Conversely, a longbow, in trained hands, has an effective range of at least?200?yards and can be fired up to ten times a minute.

Even far into the age of gunpowder, crossbows and longbows were used. Coronados expedition has been tracked, in part, by the iron crossbow points that were shot but not recovered. The colonial British, though they also had muskets, relied a great deal on bows and crossbows for colony defense.

The reason that the musket finally prevailed is that it could be fired with reasonable accuracy without?the long training necessary for the longbow. Even so, until the breech-loading repeating rifle came into use, the colonial-era military rifle was used as much as a spear as a firearm. Essentially, a line of infantry would get off one or two volleys then fix bayonets and charge.?

All a load of sh*t...

Lmao, when Metis says something, he generally knows what hes talking about... I seem to remember that he was a history teacher or got a degree in history or something to, so hes much more qualified to speak about this then you

[Metis]

I ordered the musketeers and crossbowmen to begin the attack and drive back the enemy from the defenses, so that they could not do us any injury. -- Coronado, June 1540

People are still finding crossbow points from the early Spanish expeditions to the American Southwest to this day.

Edit: These copper crossbow boltheads were found in New Mexico:


[img]http://www.archaeologysouthwest.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/boltheads.jpg[/img]

Even well into the firearms age, longbows were considered so powerful that they were treated as a secret weapon.

After the 1622 attack, 400 longbows with 800 sheaves of arrows (a sheaf has 24 arrows) were to be sent to Jamestown. The leaders of the colony, however, directed that the weapons be sent to Bermuda and stored there within easy sailing distance of the colony. It was feared that if longbows fell into the hands of the Powhatans they would learn English technological secrets and improve their bows, making them more deadly.

During the American Revolutionary war, at the Battle of Cowpens, Morgan, knowing that his militia were nowhere near a match for the British regulars, told them to just fire two shots and then run. Seeing the militia running away, the British fixed bayonets and advanced, thinking that they had routed them. Unbeknownst to the British officers, however, Morgan was actually one of America's better generals and this was all part of his plan. The British infantry came over a hill... right into a line of Colonial regulars, who fired and didn't run.

[medinos]

All a load of sh*t...

Lmao, when Metis says something, he generally knows what hes talking about... I seem to remember that he was a history teacher or got a degree in history or something to, so hes much more qualified to speak about this then you

Who cares ?
I dont belive his bull sh*t theory thats all...

[Metis]

Who cares ?

Some kids are incorrigible -- look that up if you don't know what it means. Or, as you are probably too lazy to do that, just continue being the idiot you are.

[momuuu]

Who cares ?

Some kids are incorrigible -- look that up if you don''t know what it means. Or, as you are probably too lazy to do that, just continue being the idiot you are.

Today we have all witnessed the legendary and extremely rare metis flame.

[pecelot]

I'm starting to believe that all Croatians are dumb...

[iNcog]

Hey medinos, play nicely please those comments are nothing short of dumb.

metis that was both interesting and enlightening.

tell us more x)

[_DB_]

It is weird that cannons can shoot through walls.

Yeah. It''s pretty unrealistic. Pikeman do negligible damage to everything that isnt cav. A pike poke in real life is more painful than a sharp sword attack itself.

1)In Aoe 3 A cannon ball doesn''t kill anyone.

In real life-
[video src="https://youtu.be/tC7r8yBewTk?t=106"][/video]

gg no re pls

[Metis]

Muzzle-loaded cannon balls, even though they travel so slowly you can easily see them, have considerable momentum. Once, during the American Civil War, a soldier saw one rolling along the ground and put out his foot to stop it. The cannonball easily took off his leg and rolled another hundred yards before coming to a halt. In many, if not most, battles, artillery played a role as great or greater than the musketry. Proper position of artillery was instrumental in winning battles.

The cannons captured at Fort Ticonderoga were positioned by the Colonials on high ground near the city of Boston. Seeing this, the British general evacuated his sieging army to Canada.

In the War of 1812, Jackson enlisted the help of pirates, whose ships' cannon were instrumental in winning the Battle of New Orleans (which, incidentally, was fought after the war was officially over due to the time it took for message to travel in those days).

I was in an artillery unit (8" howitzer), I have seen first-hand what cannon can do and I'd not want to be on the receiving end of one.

All of this goes to show you -- use cannon, they win even RTS battles.

[Good ol Ivan]

Lmao, when Metis says something, he generally knows what hes talking about... I seem to remember that he was a history teacher or got a degree in history or something to, so hes much more qualified to speak about this then you

Who cares ?
I dont belive his bull sh*t theory thats all...

Well and why is that?

It is weird that cannons can shoot through walls.

Yeah. Its pretty unrealistic. Pikeman do negligible damage to everything that isnt cav. A pike poke in real life is more painful than a sharp sword attack itself.

1)In Aoe 3 A cannon ball doesnt kill anyone.

In real life-
[video src="https://youtu.be/tC7r8yBewTk?t=106"][/video]

gg no re pls

Which means they are somewhat more of a shock troop... Say, imagine 100 pikes vs 100 rodeleros IRL, the pikes would probably make it through the first line(s), but once the initial attack is over, a small sword and a shield are much more flexible in close battle than those large-ass pikes. Initially through the first shock the rodeleros would take heavier losses, but as the rodeleros can easily move through the pike lines and the pikes have little no means to defend themselves at a close fight, the rodeleros should win eventually as the pikes keep taking heavier losses.
Im no history/battle pro or anything, but thats how I picture it going.
AoE3-wise ES could have make pikes have an increased ROF and/or just a range attack (of about 1-2 of range) instead of a melee attack.
But its fine as it is really.

[Papist]

Lmao, when Metis says something, he generally knows what hes talking about... I seem to remember that he was a history teacher or got a degree in history or something to, so hes much more qualified to speak about this then you

Who cares ?
I dont belive his bull sh*t theory thats all...

What part of the facts do you not believe?

[_venox_]

Metis is a great story teller and really knowledgeable. This all was really interesting to read!

[Mr. Pecksniff]

Who cares ?

Some kids are incorrigible -- look that up if you don''t know what it means. Or, as you are probably too lazy to do that, just continue being the idiot you are.

lmao