Do coyote runner suck?

Einfein · Post by **Einfein** » 09 Sep 2015, 06:24

Their superior pathing can give them an edge when raiding or just fighting in general. Also they're similar to ruyters in that being a one pop unit it may mean more micro for your opponent to whittle them down quickly.

adderbrain5 · Post by **adderbrain5** » 20 Sep 2015, 03:31

papist wrote:
ivan wrote:Flail elephants and coyotes have the same ROF as most cav (1.5). Flail elephants used to have 3.0 and much more ATK originally, but ES thought they were OP and nerfed their attack while boosting their ROF. So their attack seems rather awkward.
That team card still IS op.

opaf

thebritish · Post by **thebritish** » 20 Sep 2015, 07:10

Get all the upgrades for them and they will become OP

sirmusket · Post by **sirmusket** » 20 Sep 2015, 07:16

shaolinstar wrote:Coyote is the most cost-effective cav next to cossack.

there not a cav unit lol, there are a fast running infantry unit used for raids early on and do well against infantry.

sirmusket · Post by **sirmusket** » 20 Sep 2015, 07:17

Yes they are an awesome unit but can be quite expensive tbh early on costing more then a sepoy, janissary and standard musketeer. Do they deliver to there cost id say so but if used right only and in a sizable mass, if anyone doesnt know there cost, it is 85 food and 35 wood.

sirmusket · Post by **sirmusket** » 20 Sep 2015, 07:21

May i correct myself they dont cost more then a janissary there actually 5 resources cheaper and the cost equally as much as a sepoy however wood gathers slower then coin so id say they cost as much at the very least, and i am confident in saying that sepoys and jans are a superior unit all round then the cr, cr are only good against inf, they have low siege and get decimated against cav and cannons even. Yes you can get all upgrades for them making them "OP" but i personally would train other units such as, Arrow knights, eagle runner knight e.c.t over the cr

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britishmusketeer · Post by **britishmusketeer** » 20 Sep 2015, 07:46

sirmusket wrote:May i correct myself they dont cost more then a janissary there actually 5 resources cheaper and the cost equally as much as a sepoy however wood gathers slower then coin so id say they cost as much at the very least, and i am confident in saying that sepoys and jans are a superior unit all round then the cr, cr are only good against inf, they have low siege and get decimated against cav and cannons even. Yes you can get all upgrades for them making them "OP" but i personally would train other units such as, Arrow knights, eagle runner knight e.c.t over the cr .

coyotes are nothing like sepoys or janissarys. They are like cav.

britishmusketeer · Post by **britishmusketeer** » 20 Sep 2015, 07:50

jerom wrote:Coyotes are good in smaller numbers. Once you get larger armies, they suffer more from pathing issues than hussars do because youll have twice as many. Nonetheless I think theyre still good in larger numbers.

they path better than hussar regardless of the fact you will have more.

sirmusket · Post by **sirmusket** » 20 Sep 2015, 08:14

britishmusketeer wrote:
sirmusket wrote:May i correct myself they dont cost more then a janissary there actually 5 resources cheaper and the cost equally as much as a sepoy however wood gathers slower then coin so id say they cost as much at the very least, and i am confident in saying that sepoys and jans are a superior unit all round then the cr, cr are only good against inf, they have low siege and get decimated against cav and cannons even. Yes you can get all upgrades for them making them "OP" but i personally would train other units such as, Arrow knights, eagle runner knight e.c.t over the cr .
coyotes are nothing like sepoys or janissarys. They are like cav.

I know there nothing like sepoy and jan but they are still inf , and they cost as much as sepoy and jans thats why i was comparing them with those two units, and i highly doubt they are like cav just cause they can raid well and run fast does not make them a cav unit, they are most like the spanish rod tbh, FAST MOVING INFANTRY.

britishmusketeer · Post by **britishmusketeer** » 20 Sep 2015, 08:40

sirmusket wrote:
britishmusketeer wrote:coyotes are nothing like sepoys or janissarys. They are like cav.
I know there nothing like sepoy and jan but they are still inf , and they cost as much as sepoy and jans thats why i was comparing them with those two units, and i highly doubt they are like cav just cause they can raid well and run fast does not make them a cav unit, they are most like the spanish rod tbh, FAST MOVING INFANTRY.

Nope they are like cav. They beat ranged infantry and cannons and lose to heavy infantry and goons.

sirmusket · Post by **sirmusket** » 20 Sep 2015, 08:45

britishmusketeer wrote:
sirmusket wrote:I know there nothing like sepoy and jan but they are still inf , and they cost as much as sepoy and jans thats why i was comparing them with those two units, and i highly doubt they are like cav just cause they can raid well and run fast does not make them a cav unit, they are most like the spanish rod tbh, FAST MOVING INFANTRY.

Nope they are like cav. They beat ranged infantry and cannons and lose to heavy infantry and goons.

I dont think they lose to heavy inf like usk i think they beat it but maybe im wrong

britishmusketeer · Post by **britishmusketeer** » 20 Sep 2015, 08:47

sirmusket wrote:
britishmusketeer wrote:Nope they are like cav. They beat ranged infantry and cannons and lose to heavy infantry and goons.
I dont think they lose to heavy inf like usk i think they beat it but maybe im wrong

They dont beat muskets.

sirmusket · Post by **sirmusket** » 20 Sep 2015, 08:59

britishmusketeer wrote:
sirmusket wrote:I dont think they lose to heavy inf like usk i think they beat it but maybe im wrong
They dont beat muskets.

Yeh hahah just me being an idiot i just went on scenorio editor and checked usk smashed them and like you said skirms did poor against them, i also did a mac vs strel and mac smashed

edehollandsbrother · Post by **edehollandsbrother** » 20 Sep 2015, 09:48

@yurashic skirms do have a penalty against coyotes:

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<'DamageBonus type ='xpCoyoteMan'>'0.750000<'/DamageBonus>'

aligator92 · Post by **aligator92** » 20 Sep 2015, 09:57

sirmusket wrote:Yes they are an awesome unit but can be quite expensive tbh early on costing more then a sepoy, janissary and standard musketeer. Do they deliver to there cost id say so but if used right only and in a sizable mass, if anyone doesnt know there cost, it is 85 food and 35 wood.

85 food
25 wood

Mimsy for President · Post by **Mimsy for President** » 20 Sep 2015, 11:52

sirmusket wrote:
shaolinstar wrote:Coyote is the most cost-effective cav next to cossack.
there not a cav unit lol, there are a fast running infantry unit used for raids early on and do well against infantry.

Yeah no shit. Its just that people consider coyote runners as cavalry, of course they aint...

Good ol Ivan · Post by **Good ol Ivan** » 20 Sep 2015, 20:42

papist wrote:
ivan wrote:Flail elephants and coyotes have the same ROF as most cav (1.5). Flail elephants used to have 3.0 and much more ATK originally, but ES thought they were OP and nerfed their attack while boosting their ROF. So their attack seems rather awkward.
That team card still IS op.

If not for that card, I bet ES would have never touched flail elephants ^^

adderbrain5 · Post by **adderbrain5** » 21 Sep 2015, 02:09

ivan wrote:
papist wrote:That team card still IS op.
If not for that card, I bet ES would have never touched flail elephants ^^

yea probably not no one makes them rly. And its not like theyre that great later on when people finally do...something about having six of them smashing your Towncenter b4 5 min makes them a little bit imba lol

thebritish · Post by **thebritish** » 21 Sep 2015, 02:10

adderbrain5 wrote:
ivan wrote:If not for that card, I bet ES would have never touched flail elephants ^^
yea probably not no one makes them rly. And its not like theyre that great later on when people finally do

+1

yohomes · Post by **yohomes** » 21 Sep 2015, 13:40

They're really bad just like macehaultins. Put them up against some cuirassiers and watch them get slaughtered.

Mimsy for President · Post by **Mimsy for President** » 21 Sep 2015, 13:46

Absurd comparison.

thebritish · Post by **thebritish** » 22 Sep 2015, 01:54

shaolinstar wrote:Absurd comparison.

yes

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 22 Sep 2015, 05:09

the best advantage of coyote is that they are "small". they have less pathing problem.

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 22 Sep 2015, 05:11

if we change a coyote to a cossack it sucks. that's why chinese forbidden army are strong. iron flail and hammer have shitty hp/attack by they dont have pathing.

yurashic · Post by **yurashic** » 22 Sep 2015, 21:42

yohomes wrote:They''re really bad just like macehaultins. Put them up against some cuirassiers and watch them get slaughtered.

You gave Garja heart attack...

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