Sepoys vs Janissary

sirmusket · Post by **sirmusket** » 20 Sep 2015, 07:35

I have always wondered which was stronger of the two. Both of them costing the same pretty much. I also thought the Janissary was a stronger unit having higher hit points and crushing an army of 20 musk with just so much fewer Jans. I recently went on scenario editor 20vs20 and 30vs30 and Sepoy won both, I know i was surprised aswell. So really which unit is the better still I dont know even after that battle because sometimes in team games one seems so much better then the other and other times a different story, comment below which you think is better

Also take into account the veteran, guard and imperial upgrades

britishmusketeer · Post by **britishmusketeer** » 20 Sep 2015, 07:40

Sepoy are the most cost effective musketeer type unit in the game.

sirmusket · Post by **sirmusket** » 20 Sep 2015, 08:02

britishmusketeer wrote:Sepoy are the most cost effective musketeer type unit in the game.

Okay but if we based on pure strength and not cost would you opinion change?

yemshi · Post by **yemshi** » 20 Sep 2015, 08:12

Sepoy>Jan

DerMaxinator · Post by **DerMaxinator** » 20 Sep 2015, 08:14

sirmusket wrote:
britishmusketeer wrote:Sepoy are the most cost effective musketeer type unit in the game.
Okay but if we based on pure strength and not cost would you opinion change?

I dont play a lot of Otto, nor India. But if I am not mistaken, then Janissary cost only 5 resources more. So cost efficiency is definitly won by Sepoy, because imo they are better overall.

sirmusket · Post by **sirmusket** » 20 Sep 2015, 08:17

dermaxinator wrote:
sirmusket wrote:Okay but if we based on pure strength and not cost would you opinion change?
I dont play a lot of Otto, nor India. But if I am not mistaken, then Janissary cost only 5 resources more. So cost efficiency is definitly won by Sepoy, because imo they are better overall.

Well if we are talking cost they are same, because Sepoy cost more coin then food and jan cost more food then coin, and we all know that coin is significantly gathered slower.

DerMaxinator · Post by **DerMaxinator** » 20 Sep 2015, 08:21

sirmusket wrote:
dermaxinator wrote:I dont play a lot of Otto, nor India. But if I am not mistaken, then Janissary cost only 5 resources more. So cost efficiency is definitly won by Sepoy, because imo they are better overall.
Well if we are talking cost they are same, because Sepoy cost more coin then food and jan cost more food then coin, and we all know that coin is significantly gathered slower.

So are you saying, it is like same in gather time?

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 20 Sep 2015, 08:30

Sepoy.

britishmusketeer · Post by **britishmusketeer** » 20 Sep 2015, 08:42

sirmusket wrote:
britishmusketeer wrote:Sepoy are the most cost effective musketeer type unit in the game.
Okay but if we based on pure strength and not cost would you opinion change?

nope because they cost pretty much the same since coin gathers slower than food.

sirmusket · Post by **sirmusket** » 20 Sep 2015, 08:43

dermaxinator wrote:
sirmusket wrote:Well if we are talking cost they are same, because Sepoy cost more coin then food and jan cost more food then coin, and we all know that coin is significantly gathered slower.
So are you saying, it is like same in gather time?

Well not really but one is not more expensive then the other cost the resource distribution is different so you cant compare, more coin cost for the sepoy (harder to gather) more food for the jan ( easier to gather ) now now might not seem a big deal at first oh OK 5 coin difference big woop but lets say you do a batch of 5. 125 coin vs 150 okay some difference then batch of 10, 250 vs 300 now were getting somewhere, okay maybe this is exaggeration but no doubt it will accumulate over time.

mnogud · Post by **mnogud** » 20 Sep 2015, 08:52

the one who gets the first hit wins... but with the brits consulate the sepoys win

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 20 Sep 2015, 09:08

sepoy kill a vill with only 6 hits. jan needs 8.
jan has more hp, but tc needs 3 hits to kill a sepoy too.
sepoy has 3?? multiplier to cav!

Mr_Bramboy · Post by **Mr_Bramboy** » 20 Sep 2015, 10:15

Sepoy because extra damage is more important than extra hitpoints and siege. Also sepoys can be upgraded with the consulate.

tedere12 · Post by **tedere12** » 20 Sep 2015, 10:28

well in jan vs sepoy, janissary wins (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyTSUMPElOE) but sepoy are better generally

iNcog · Post by **iNcog** » 20 Sep 2015, 10:40

sirmusket wrote:
britishmusketeer wrote:Sepoy are the most cost effective musketeer type unit in the game.
Okay but if we based on pure strength and not cost would you opinion change?

This kind of comparison is never a good one.

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 20 Sep 2015, 10:42

tedere12 wrote:well in jan vs sepoy, janissary wins (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyTSUMPElOE) but sepoy are better generally

Interesting, I thought lb were better than yumis and actually cetans are almost as good as aenna lol

Mr_Bramboy · Post by **Mr_Bramboy** » 20 Sep 2015, 10:44

diarouga wrote:
tedere12 wrote:well in jan vs sepoy, janissary wins (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyTSUMPElOE) but sepoy are better generally
and actually cetans are almost as good as aenna lol

No, because aenna have faster speed and a faster reload rate so they can kite the cetan bows very efficiently.

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 20 Sep 2015, 10:56

bramboy wrote:
diarouga wrote:and actually cetans are almost as good as aenna lol
No, because aenna have faster speed and a faster reload rate so they can kite the cetan bows very efficiently.

but they have the same range.

_DB_ · Post by **_DB_** » 20 Sep 2015, 11:39

Very close.

Without any upgrades,

Jans got almost 25% more HP and sepoys got exactly 25% more attack. Ofc HP matters more so in early game without any ups jans would win. To be honest, more upon micro.

After India allies to brits in consulate, sepoys win.

Sepoy also got better multiplier vs cav.

Mimsy for President · Post by **Mimsy for President** » 20 Sep 2015, 12:32

subzero wrote:
Jans got almost 25% more HP and sepoys got exactly 25% more attack. Ofc HP matters more so in early game without any ups jans would win. To be honest, more upon micro.

Range attack matters not HP. Thats why (almost) everybody sends musk attack first in brit mirror. HP would matter if the HP/Attack ratio was significantly bigger.
In theory sepoys are slightly better. With basic calculations, a sepoy needs 9.4 shots to kill 1 janissary AND a janissary needs 9.5 shots to kill 1 sepoy.
In practice, the one who shoots first wins.

ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL

Jaeger · Post by **Jaeger** » 20 Sep 2015, 13:22

In jannisary vs sepoy, abus wins

sepoy are better anticav than jans

_DB_ · Post by **_DB_** » 20 Sep 2015, 13:23

Correct.

Whos talkin about jans, nigga we just appreciatin abus

gibson · Post by **gibson** » 20 Sep 2015, 13:50

bramboy wrote:Sepoy because extra damage is more important than extra hitpoints and siege.

while Sepoy are definitly better, I don''t think this is the reason why. High hp units are generally better than high attack units. Mams are better than hackapel and hussar are better than uhlan. It''s because relatively speaking the difference between sepoys and Jan''s attack is much greater then the difference between their hp

mnogud · Post by **mnogud** » 20 Sep 2015, 13:58

gibson wrote:
bramboy wrote:Sepoy because extra damage is more important than extra hitpoints and siege.
while Sepoy are definitly better, I dont think this is the reason why. High hp units are generally better than high attack units. Mams are better than hackapel and hussar are better than uhlan. Its because relatively speaking the difference between sepoys and Jans attack is much greater then the difference between their hp

how the fuck is hussar better than ulhan ?

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 20 Sep 2015, 14:02

gibson wrote:
bramboy wrote:Sepoy because extra damage is more important than extra hitpoints and siege.
while Sepoy are definitly better, I dont think this is the reason why. High hp units are generally better than high attack units. Mams are better than hackapel and hussar are better than uhlan. Its because relatively speaking the difference between sepoys and Jans attack is much greater then the difference between their hp

all you listed are MELEE units. but sepoy is RANGED. native skirmishers such as cree or cherokee rifle are all high HP low attack units. do you think they are better than euro skirmisher?

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