Are vanilla players overrated?

[miloslav]

So, are players playing non-expansion game overrated due to lack of players? Yesterday I played 2200 guy and I beat him. One could say that it is luck, accident or something but still, 2200 player losing to barely 1800+? I could understand if I won 1900 but not 2200. Since 2012 I did play like 20 games at max(just came back cuz I saw streams) and even back then I was just random 1800. Hell I am so noob at game that I often have no idea what am I doing. Dude looks legit thou, he did beat some 2100+ guys. I simply do not understand.
http://aoe3.jpcommunity.com/rating2/pla ... anes930920

[Goodspeed]

As far as I know there hasn't been any real competition on vanilla for a very long time. This means yes, PRs and ELO ratings will be inflated compared to TAD.

[[Armag] diarouga]

Yeah, nilla players suck :p.
They re like 3pr and 2200 elos overrated.

[Aizamk]

A lot of people who were traditionally vanilla players moved to TAD (e.g. Umeu, myself, MusketJr, Tibia, Interjection) with the advent of the last PK tournament, then never moved back. I haven't played nilla enough recently to know the current situation, but it's probably safe to say that there has (sadly) been a decline in the level of gameplay there.

It will however always be the case that someone on nilla will tend to start off being several PR lower on TAD than they are on nilla. This was the initial problem many of us nilla players faced- learning new civs, new matchups, different balance, and being unable to spam xbow vs cav and win (usually).

The thing is, aoe3 has a lot of weight placed on game knowledge moreso than other rts games, so the jump from nilla->'TAD is pretty big, even if you only vs euro civs (unless you play ottos).

[CuCkO0]

Nilla has too many maphackers and people that feel the need to oos

[[Armag] diarouga]

A lot of people who were traditionally vanilla players moved to TAD (e.g. Umeu, myself, MusketJr, Tibia, Interjection) with the advent of the last PK tournament, then never moved back. I haven''t played nilla enough recently to know the current situation, but it''s probably safe to say that there has (sadly) been a decline in the level of gameplay there.

It will however always be the case that someone on nilla will tend to start off being several PR lower on TAD than they are on nilla. This was the initial problem many of us nilla players faced- learning new civs, new matchups, different balance, and being unable to spam xbow vs cav and win (usually).

The thing is, aoe3 has a lot of weight placed on game knowledge moreso than other rts games, so the jump from nilla->'TAD is pretty big, even if you only vs euro civs (unless you play ottos).

If a tad player goes on nilla, he ll get 3 pr.

[_H2O]

vanilla historically has meant +6-8 PR atleast. I cant give you an exact number now because overall PR's are lower which might close the gap. At the same time more people have left vanilla for tad that were good. So that gap may be the same or bigger.

Either way I can tell you the skill difference is substantial.

[DivineFire]

I agree, I play with people that all the time that tell me that they were a lt col on treaty or something higher than that and they end up just totally sucking and playing like a 2nd lt or something...

[WickedCossack]

Nilla players can't be over-rated since no one rates them to begin with in the first place ?

Barring only one or two exceptions like aelena, I can't think of anyone else I'd rate that doesn't already play TAD.

[musketeer925]

Nilla players can''t be over-rated since no one rates them to begin with in the first place ?

Barring only one or two exceptions like aelena, I can''t think of anyone else I''d rate that doesn''t already play TAD.

I believe OP means in terms of PR/Elo, not anyone''s opinion.

[musketeer925]

As far as I know there hasn''t been any real competition on vanilla for a very long time. This means yes, PRs and ELO ratings will be inflated compared to TAD.

It''s an Elo rating, not an ELO rating. Respect Mr. Elo.

[WickedCossack]

Nilla players cant be over-rated since no one rates them to begin with in the first place ?

Barring only one or two exceptions like aelena, I cant think of anyone else Id rate that doesnt already play TAD.

I believe OP means in terms of PR/Elo, not anyones opinion.

Ah then ye, pr/elo from nilla to tad doesnt compare.

[Goodspeed]

As far as I know there hasnt been any real competition on vanilla for a very long time. This means yes, PRs and ELO ratings will be inflated compared to TAD.

Its an Elo rating, not an ELO rating. Respect Mr. Elo.

Whoops

Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_Light_Orchestra

[MCJim]

A lot of people who were traditionally vanilla players moved to TAD (e.g. Umeu, myself, MusketJr, Tibia, Interjection) with the advent of the last PK tournament, then never moved back. I haven''t played nilla enough recently to know the current situation, but it''s probably safe to say that there has (sadly) been a decline in the level of gameplay there.

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Yes, it''s true. I regularly take a look at the ESO server status ( http://www.agecommunity.com/_server_status_/ ). And one thing what strikes me is that TAD gets more and more population. Half a year ago it was clear Nilla had the most population, no matter what time, but it''s reversed. Nowadays TAD does have the biggest population and that''s new in my eyes.

[princeofkabul]

HAH nilla players are very overranked/rated, i remember playing vs irishfaithful who was said to be best in nilla at current time. I was terribly drunken and end up losing 4-2. Also i made only uhlans all these games vs his France.

[Papist]

By definition, the more concepts and trades you grasp, the more skilled you are. Good TAD players have mastered all 6 of the European civs, plus the 6 expansion civs. Therefore, TAD players>nilla players. You cannot claim to be on an equal footing with TAD players when you have only experienced half of the game.

[musketeer925]

There are 8 European civs, 14 total.

[Papist]

There are 8 European civs, 14 total.

Whoops. My memory served me wrong