Kynesea vs Umeu What Happend?

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Heavy lag really should not be an issue with the technology we have now....... I mean you can play pretty much lag free on a 300$ laptop from Tiger Direct and a 15$ internet connection. Maybe if you live in the middle of nowhere it might be hard to get a decent connection but Kynesie is a grown ass man living in Paris. There is really no excuse for heavy lag like that.
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fightinfrenchman wrote:
KINGofOsmane wrote:just bad decision overall , they should of replayed it


I think they still might replay it tomorrow.

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Hagi wrote:
umeu wrote:im ok with taking the admin win because he is lagging so hard the games arent fair. so why should i be fair? it has to come from 2 sides.

besides, i already said im willing to play the series out from a 1-0 advantage (instead of the 2-0 i would get with the win) if he fixes his lag. he has however uninstalled, so its im not gonna put more effort in to it. i will schedule with mongo tonight.

its his own problem.


This (in bold) is honorable from you and I appreciate that. Thanks for your fair play Umeu.
The admin decision is ridiculous, you should be ashamed to dare deciding such thing based on vague assumptions that Kynesie purposely lag.
I would like some proof please, because Kynesie's behavior through tournament and streaming are opposite of what you claim. And what about what Mongo10 said about he playing kynesie and no lag problem when no casters?
Waiting for your answer... oh well everytime I asked some clarifications here I never get any. Why bother, really.


No one said that Kyensie purposely lags.

However Kyensie does lag because his computer or internet connection are not optimal. Many players know and can certify that Kyn lags.

This lag, on top of providing a poor competitive setting, more or less caused the OOS. It is known that severe lag can cause this issue. Kyensie is the source of that lag. That's all there is to it.

If my connection drops during a tournament game, then the admins will give me an admin loss (unless my opponent agrees to a rematch). This is pretty much what happened here.
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zoom wrote:I don't at all consider it proven that Kynesie caused the out-of-sync. I consider it likely that he caused the lag which makes it more likely to happen.

Yes its not a factual argument. Its intuitive to say though that Kynesie here was the root cause out of the people ingame. If it was me leaving, I left because it lagged and it lagged because of Kynesie. If it was the lag then it was also Kynesie.

Under normal, lagfree nonbugged circumstances a game doesnt go OOS (and a caster doesnt leave the game) so, if the lag was on Kynesies end (you can deny that but that seems ludicrous really) then the OOS kinda was his fault. He probably gets OOS quite frequently lol, he knows that could happen and didnt ever attempt to fix it (or the lag) either.

So I guess the admin decision was the correct one. If the opposite decision was made and umeu had forfeited then the forums wouldve been riot aswell. A true lose lose scenario :|
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A true lose lose scenario :|


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It's sad for the community, considering they provide a chunk of the prize pool. They like to see matches, not admin wins.

In the game Tibia and Jerom casted after, it also lagged because of Jerom. So kynesie not solely to blame, an effort should of been made to lag test prior to the 1st game to test conditions with 1 or 2 casters, etc.

@Jerom i've been in many games where someone has resigned and it oos moments later. It's annoying, but obviously linked.

You were also lagging, on skype, in hosted game room, in casting after. You should of made conscious effort to say, hey, i'm lagging, i shouldn't be casting. Which is why i refer back to my lag test point.
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shouldve just played map three and if it came down to a decider then they would just replay the match up
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Hazza54321 wrote:shouldve just played map three and if it came down to a decider then they would just replay the match up


Yeah true,

Although, at the time umeu refused to play it out from 1-0. Now kynesie left, it's convenient that he says he will play from 1-0.
Yes he mentioned lag, but Jerom caused lag also. So it probably be better anyway without casters.
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nah i didnt say that. i refused to replay the game. i was then and still willing to look for other solutions such as what incog proposed and what hazza is saying now.
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If everybody know that Kynesie lags, why there were 2 casters for the match?
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thebritish wrote:If everybody know that Kynesie lags, why there were 2 casters for the match?
-No sense

Adding non-laggy casters shouldn't affect lag.
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iNcog wrote:
A true lose lose scenario :|


Did I bait you into watching that video?

no I watched it after I posted that actually. He's kinda right though, didnt really watch all of it since I dont find him pleasant to listen to but hes right.

oo wrote:It's sad for the community, considering they provide a chunk of the prize pool. They like to see matches, not admin wins.

In the game Tibia and Jerom casted after, it also lagged because of Jerom. So kynesie not solely to blame, an effort should of been made to lag test prior to the 1st game to test conditions with 1 or 2 casters, etc.

@Jerom i've been in many games where someone has resigned and it oos moments later. It's annoying, but obviously linked.

You were also lagging, on skype, in hosted game room, in casting after. You should of made conscious effort to say, hey, i'm lagging, i shouldn't be casting. Which is why i refer back to my lag test point.

Yes shortly after that, or maybe even during that my internet did kinda get a stick up its arse for some reason, although I do not cause lag like that at all. That was truly kynesie lag.
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britishmusketeer wrote:
thebritish wrote:If everybody know that Kynesie lags, why there were 2 casters for the match?
-No sense

Adding non-laggy casters shouldn't affect lag.

Its p2p, so he will lag even more with more players involved..
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thebritish wrote:
britishmusketeer wrote:
thebritish wrote:If everybody know that Kynesie lags, why there were 2 casters for the match?
-No sense

Adding non-laggy casters shouldn't affect lag.

Its p2p, so he will lag even more with more players involved..

kynesie lag isn't internet lag tho
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He didn't decide that, he isn't allowed to play in tourneys anymore.
He uninstalled the EP tho.

right decision no need to ever do something with those guys ever again
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iNcog wrote:
Hagi wrote:
umeu wrote:im ok with taking the admin win because he is lagging so hard the games arent fair. so why should i be fair? it has to come from 2 sides.

besides, i already said im willing to play the series out from a 1-0 advantage (instead of the 2-0 i would get with the win) if he fixes his lag. he has however uninstalled, so its im not gonna put more effort in to it. i will schedule with mongo tonight.

its his own problem.


This (in bold) is honorable from you and I appreciate that. Thanks for your fair play Umeu.
The admin decision is ridiculous, you should be ashamed to dare deciding such thing based on vague assumptions that Kynesie purposely lag.
I would like some proof please, because Kynesie's behavior through tournament and streaming are opposite of what you claim. And what about what Mongo10 said about he playing kynesie and no lag problem when no casters?
Waiting for your answer... oh well everytime I asked some clarifications here I never get any. Why bother, really.


No one said that Kyensie purposely lags.

However Kyensie does lag because his computer or internet connection are not optimal. Many players know and can certify that Kyn lags.

This lag, on top of providing a poor competitive setting, more or less caused the OOS. It is known that severe lag can cause this issue. Kyensie is the source of that lag. That's all there is to it.

If my connection drops during a tournament game, then the admins will give me an admin loss (unless my opponent agrees to a rematch). This is pretty much what happened here.


Yes I understand that, everybody is trying to explain the same thing.
But you all fail to understand one important thing.
You don't have PROOF this time. Based on the past, it's YOUR proof.
How about, maybe Kynesie solved his lag issue and this time it was something else (or somebody else) that cause the lag?
The rule is simple. A player drop lose the game unless the opponent agree to rematch.
In that case the OBSERVER OOS. You are not following your own rules!!! you are interpreting rules based on past assumptions of a certain player!!!
That would be nice if someone reads me for a change.
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:I don't want to start a flame but let's be honest on few points:

1) how can you explain that it oosed exactly at the moment jerom left? It is definitely due to jerom leaving the game and it has already happened a few times to me and to some other players.

2) kynesie officialy forfeited, which is true. However, we should point out that he isn't allowed to play in tournaments anymore. He was kinda disqualified.
Also, try to understand kynesie's POV, game1, Umeu didn't want to click in kynesie's MUs and kynesie had to play an hopeless MU, that's why he lost. Then game 2, he thinks he had the game but mankle came and gave the win to Umeu. In g3, kynesie has to pick 1st on high plain and he doesn't have japan anymore. That s obvious that he would leave.
Moreover, kynesie thinks that mankle was biased because he lost to him on stream and raged because of the lag.

Anyway, the decision is taken and all this doesn't really matter but I still think that this decision is unfair.

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Hagi wrote:
iNcog wrote:
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No one said that Kyensie purposely lags.

However Kyensie does lag because his computer or internet connection are not optimal. Many players know and can certify that Kyn lags.

This lag, on top of providing a poor competitive setting, more or less caused the OOS. It is known that severe lag can cause this issue. Kyensie is the source of that lag. That's all there is to it.

If my connection drops during a tournament game, then the admins will give me an admin loss (unless my opponent agrees to a rematch). This is pretty much what happened here.


Yes I understand that, everybody is trying to explain the same thing.
But you all fail to understand one important thing.
You don't have PROOF this time. Based on the past, it's YOUR proof.
How about, maybe Kynesie solved his lag issue and this time it was something else (or somebody else) that cause the lag?
The rule is simple. A player drop lose the game unless the opponent agree to rematch.
In that case the OBSERVER OOS. You are not following your own rules!!! you are interpreting rules based on past assumptions of a certain player!!!
That would be nice if someone reads me for a change.

They are not reading or replying to players below PR33
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Hagi wrote:
iNcog wrote:
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No one said that Kyensie purposely lags.

However Kyensie does lag because his computer or internet connection are not optimal. Many players know and can certify that Kyn lags.

This lag, on top of providing a poor competitive setting, more or less caused the OOS. It is known that severe lag can cause this issue. Kyensie is the source of that lag. That's all there is to it.

If my connection drops during a tournament game, then the admins will give me an admin loss (unless my opponent agrees to a rematch). This is pretty much what happened here.


Yes I understand that, everybody is trying to explain the same thing.
But you all fail to understand one important thing.
You don't have PROOF this time. Based on the past, it's YOUR proof.
How about, maybe Kynesie solved his lag issue and this time it was something else (or somebody else) that cause the lag?
The rule is simple. A player drop lose the game unless the opponent agree to rematch.
In that case the OBSERVER OOS. You are not following your own rules!!! you are interpreting rules based on past assumptions of a certain player!!!
That would be nice if someone reads me for a change.

This is actually completely true. I'd even say rules were not only interpreted but made up. A judgement call was then made based on the high likelihood that Kynesie is lagging severely. This is completely reasonable to me, but there has to be rules to base that decision on. As there aren't, this decision is not in accordance with tournament rules and simply very questionable to me. The decision should have been based solely on the cause of the out-of-sync (which is far from certain) and then the position of the players in the game.
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thebritish wrote:They are not reading or replying to players below PR33

Source?

Please stop saying so much idiotic shit all the time.

Thank you.
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gibson wrote:Heavy lag really should not be an issue with the technology we have now....... I mean you can play pretty much lag free on a 300$ laptop from Tiger Direct and a 15$ internet connection. Maybe if you live in the middle of nowhere it might be hard to get a decent connection but Kynesie is a grown ass man living in Paris. There is really no excuse for heavy lag like that.

Unfortunately that is untrue I live 3km from Paris and I have a close to unplayable connection... Often you players send message like fix lag as if there is something doable about it
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Jerom, i don't see how you can pass judgement on Kynesie lagging when you yourself are a lagger. If you criticise him, you are doing the same of yourself. You contributed to the lag, so stop trying to get yourself out of it or pass blame solely on him.
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oo wrote:Jerom, i don't see how you can pass judgement on Kynesie lagging when you yourself are a lagger. If you criticise him, you are doing the same of yourself. You contributed to the lag, so stop trying to get yourself out of it or pass blame solely on him.

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oo wrote:Jerom, i don't see how you can pass judgement on Kynesie lagging when you yourself are a lagger. If you criticise him, you are doing the same of yourself. You contributed to the lag, so stop trying to get yourself out of it or pass blame solely on him.

I'm not really a lagger but my internet might have lagged, although I am not sure at all. I never get lag normally to be honest.

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