The cheating culture

[cedarfarms]

The games really taking a hit from all of this cheating thats taken off recently. Not just because of the cheaters but because now everyone is so paranoid that people are cheating, everyone just accuses each other of cheating for no reason. Last game i got accused of map hacking, eco hacking, population hacking all in one game lol. Is there ever going to be anything that can help prevent cheating like the way it used to be? It really is so annoying now

[[Armag] diarouga]

The games really taking a hit from all of this cheating thats taken off recently. Not just because of the cheaters but because now everyone is so paranoid that people are cheating, everyone just accuses each other of cheating for no reason. Last game i got accused of map hacking, eco hacking, population hacking all in one game lol. Is there ever going to be anything that can help prevent cheating like the way it used to be? It really is so annoying now

You can play on the EP lol. Otherwise rec your games.

[Mr_Bramboy]

Is there ever going to be anything that can help prevent cheating like the way it used to be?

Yup.

[fei123456]

i have to say that some "technical issues" are not far away from cheat.
auto no-pillar wall
building rotate
wall is nerfed in fp but in re endless wall is still fucking op. building rotate sounds good, but its still not available without changing game data.

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Frankly, with the rampant cheating which Microsoft is doing nothing about, it's nothing short of amazing that more people don't just play EP.

[[Armag] diarouga]

i have to say that some "technical issues" are not far away from cheat.
auto no-pillar wall
building rotate
wall is nerfed in fp but in re endless wall is still fucking op. building rotate sounds good, but its still not available without changing game data.

Well, even if macros aren't allowed in RTS games, you can't really bann someone for doing that since he didn't change the game files.
Rotator can be considered like a cheat but it doesn't give you a huge advantage.

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Yeah we should just include it in EP.

[fei123456]

i have to say that some "technical issues" are not far away from cheat.
auto no-pillar wall
building rotate
wall is nerfed in fp but in re endless wall is still fucking op. building rotate sounds good, but its still not available without changing game data.

Well, even if macros aren't allowed in RTS games, you can't really bann someone for doing that since he didn't change the game files.
Rotator can be considered like a cheat but it doesn't give you a huge advantage.

but it does influence the game balance. players like nayuki cannot wall with no pillar in a few seconds, while still herd, train units, micro, age up.

[[Armag] diarouga]

i have to say that some "technical issues" are not far away from cheat.
auto no-pillar wall
building rotate
wall is nerfed in fp but in re endless wall is still fucking op. building rotate sounds good, but its still not available without changing game data.

Well, even if macros aren't allowed in RTS games, you can't really bann someone for doing that since he didn't change the game files.
Rotator can be considered like a cheat but it doesn't give you a huge advantage.

but it does influence the game balance. players like nayuki cannot wall with no pillar in a few seconds, while still herd, train units, micro, age up.

Well, he press a button while a normal player would have to press 2, that's not a big deal xD

[lemmings121]

Frankly, with the rampant cheating which Microsoft is doing nothing about, it's nothing short of amazing that more people don't just play EP.

Its annoying, because people dont play in ep, just because others dont play.... So you end up with a game in re, in witch both players wanted to be on ep...

[thebritish]

The games really taking a hit from all of this cheating thats taken off recently. Not just because of the cheaters but because now everyone is so paranoid that people are cheating, everyone just accuses each other of cheating for no reason. Last game i got accused of map hacking, eco hacking, population hacking all in one game lol. Is there ever going to be anything that can help prevent cheating like the way it used to be? It really is so annoying now

if somebody accuses you of cheating, troll them

[momuuu]

Frankly, with the rampant cheating which Microsoft is doing nothing about, it's nothing short of amazing that more people don't just play EP.

Its annoying, because people dont play in ep, just because others dont play.... So you end up with a game in re, in witch both players wanted to be on ep...

It's the sad truth. We apperantly don't have the persistence to force it on others, rather than them forcing us to play RE.

[thebritish]

Frankly, with the rampant cheating which Microsoft is doing nothing about, it's nothing short of amazing that more people don't just play EP.

Its annoying, because people dont play in ep, just because others dont play.... So you end up with a game in re, in witch both players wanted to be on ep...

It's the sad truth. We apperantly don't have the persistence to force it on others, rather than them forcing us to play RE.

EP doesnt provide enough features (or new features), and the balance is meh, so the only people playing on it are:
-"EP balance team"
-"Anyone involved with the site"

[Mr_Bramboy]

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Frankly, with the rampant cheating which Microsoft is doing nothing about, it's nothing short of amazing that more people don't just play EP.

Its annoying, because people dont play in ep, just because others dont play.... So you end up with a game in re, in witch both players wanted to be on ep...

It's the sad truth. We apperantly don't have the persistence to force it on others, rather than them forcing us to play RE.

EP doesnt provide enough features (or new features)

What new features are you thinking of? Right now there's:

- Improved balance
- Improved maps
- Anti cheat
- Compatibility with UI (ekanta for example) and building rotator

[fei123456]

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Its annoying, because people dont play in ep, just because others dont play.... So you end up with a game in re, in witch both players wanted to be on ep...

It's the sad truth. We apperantly don't have the persistence to force it on others, rather than them forcing us to play RE.

EP doesnt provide enough features (or new features)

What new features are you thinking of? Right now there's:

- Improved balance
- Improved maps
- Anti cheat
- Compatibility with UI (ekanta for example) and building rotator

lvl100 homecity
change the order of you decks in a homecity
bug fixes (hero survive, agra hotkey, etc)

[fei123456]

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i have to say that some "technical issues" are not far away from cheat.
auto no-pillar wall
building rotate
wall is nerfed in fp but in re endless wall is still fucking op. building rotate sounds good, but its still not available without changing game data.

Well, even if macros aren't allowed in RTS games, you can't really bann someone for doing that since he didn't change the game files.
Rotator can be considered like a cheat but it doesn't give you a huge advantage.

but it does influence the game balance. players like nayuki cannot wall with no pillar in a few seconds, while still herd, train units, micro, age up.

Well, he press a button while a normal player would have to press 2, that's not a big deal xD

nonono not that easy
to build no-pillar walls, you have to make sure the length of every single pile of wall is equal. that's a tough work for normal players, but with hotkeys it becomes a easy job.

[lemmings121]

The patch is good, all of my games with people in friends list are in ep.... But sometimes you just want to play rated with strangers, and hosting a room in ep takes ages, while qs in re is relatively full...
But we should be more persistent and keep hosting ganes in ep instead of giving up...

[thebritish]

EP doesnt provide enough features (or new features)
What new features are you thinking of? Right now there's:

- Improved balance They nerfed what they cant play against
- Improved maps I can play on the same maps on RE too
- Anti cheat Just record your games and it will be the same as playing on EP
- Compatibility with UI (ekanta for example) and building rotator I dont know what do you mean by this. But, if its that we can use building rotator, it isnt any big change since any dedicated 1liet+ player has it and rarely anyone below sergeant play on EP or can get a fair game.

[Mr_Bramboy]

lvl100 homecity
change the order of you decks in a homecity
bug fixes (hero survive, agra hotkey, etc)

1) As far as I know this is something that is being discussed
2) I doubt that's possible. Try copying the deck you want on top and deleting the old one. Newest decks will always be on top of the list.
3) Agra hotkeys can be added to your user.con. Explorer revive requires a lot of work and is not worth it.

EP doesnt provide enough features (or new features)
What new features are you thinking of? Right now there's:

- Improved balance They nerfed what they cant play against
- Improved maps I can play on the same maps on RE too
- Anti cheat Just record your games and it will be the same as playing on EP
- Compatibility with UI (ekanta for example) and building rotator I dont know what do you mean by this. But, if its that we can use building rotator, it isnt any big change since any dedicated 1liet+ player has it and rarely anyone below sergeant play on EP or can get a fair game.

I'm going to go ahead and ignore this.

[[Armag] diarouga]

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i have to say that some "technical issues" are not far away from cheat.
auto no-pillar wall
building rotate
wall is nerfed in fp but in re endless wall is still fucking op. building rotate sounds good, but its still not available without changing game data.

Well, even if macros aren't allowed in RTS games, you can't really bann someone for doing that since he didn't change the game files.
Rotator can be considered like a cheat but it doesn't give you a huge advantage.

but it does influence the game balance. players like nayuki cannot wall with no pillar in a few seconds, while still herd, train units, micro, age up.

Well, he press a button while a normal player would have to press 2, that's not a big deal xD

nonono not that easy
to build no-pillar walls, you have to make sure the length of every single pile of wall is equal. that's a tough work for normal players, but with hotkeys it becomes a easy job.[/quote]
Yes and kynesie does it himself. He builds the wall with the right segment length and then he uses his macro, almost the same.

[thebritish]

lvl100 homecity
change the order of you decks in a homecity
bug fixes (hero survive, agra hotkey, etc)

1) As far as I know this is something that is being discussed
2) I doubt that's possible. Try copying the deck you want on top and deleting the old one. Newest decks will always be on top of the list.
3) Agra hotkeys can be added to your user.con. Explorer revive requires a lot of work and is not worth it.

EP doesnt provide enough features (or new features)
What new features are you thinking of? Right now there's:

- Improved balance They nerfed what they cant play against
- Improved maps I can play on the same maps on RE too
- Anti cheat Just record your games and it will be the same as playing on EP
- Compatibility with UI (ekanta for example) and building rotator I dont know what do you mean by this. But, if its that we can use building rotator, it isnt any big change since any dedicated 1liet+ player has it and rarely anyone below sergeant play on EP or can get a fair game.

I'm going to go ahead and ignore this.

Because you dont know what to answer when i said the truth...

[Mr_Bramboy]

lvl100 homecity
change the order of you decks in a homecity
bug fixes (hero survive, agra hotkey, etc)

1) As far as I know this is something that is being discussed
2) I doubt that's possible. Try copying the deck you want on top and deleting the old one. Newest decks will always be on top of the list.
3) Agra hotkeys can be added to your user.con. Explorer revive requires a lot of work and is not worth it.

EP doesnt provide enough features (or new features)
What new features are you thinking of? Right now there's:

- Improved balance They nerfed what they cant play against
- Improved maps I can play on the same maps on RE too
- Anti cheat Just record your games and it will be the same as playing on EP
- Compatibility with UI (ekanta for example) and building rotator I dont know what do you mean by this. But, if its that we can use building rotator, it isnt any big change since any dedicated 1liet+ player has it and rarely anyone below sergeant play on EP or can get a fair game.

I'm going to go ahead and ignore this.

Because you dont know what to answer when i said the truth...

No, because you must be trolling.

[zoom]

Frankly, with the rampant cheating which Microsoft is doing nothing about, it's nothing short of amazing that more people don't just play EP.

Its annoying, because people dont play in ep, just because others dont play.... So you end up with a game in re, in witch both players wanted to be on ep...

The patch is good, all of my games with people in friends list are in ep.... But sometimes you just want to play rated with strangers, and hosting a room in ep takes ages, while qs in re is relatively full...
But we should be more persistent and keep hosting ganes in ep instead of giving up...

Well yes, but more so than anything else we should find users on RE to convince them to play with us on EP. This is the best way of finding games quickly outside of closed circles until the user-base can sustain itself, and the best way to achieve self-sustainability.

[gibson]

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lvl100 homecity
change the order of you decks in a homecity
bug fixes (hero survive, agra hotkey, etc)

1) As far as I know this is something that is being discussed
2) I doubt that's possible. Try copying the deck you want on top and deleting the old one. Newest decks will always be on top of the list.
3) Agra hotkeys can be added to your user.con. Explorer revive requires a lot of work and is not worth it.

EP doesnt provide enough features (or new features)
What new features are you thinking of? Right now there's:

- Improved balance They nerfed what they cant play against
- Improved maps I can play on the same maps on RE too
- Anti cheat Just record your games and it will be the same as playing on EP
- Compatibility with UI (ekanta for example) and building rotator I dont know what do you mean by this. But, if its that we can use building rotator, it isnt any big change since any dedicated 1liet+ player has it and rarely anyone below sergeant play on EP or can get a fair game.

I'm going to go ahead and ignore this.

Because you dont know what to answer when i said the truth...

No, because you must be trolling.

Since I have time atm I'll deal with it.

In a way you could say they nerfed what they can't play against, because no one could play against otto or iro in a similar skill game because they were just way too good. The only other major nerf was walls, which once again couldn't really be played against because they were insanely good. In fact, they still are insanely good. I'd like to see them reduced down to 500 or 1k hp actually. You can't play rated games on Re on the EP maps so you're stuck with like the 3 balanced maps for those who want to play rated, which is most people. People can still cheat if you record the game lol. Do you really want to go through and watch every single game you play to see if people are cheating? Because most of the time when people cheat it isn't going to be obvious. And no, most people don't use building rotator mod. Instead of tearing down the hours and hours of volunteer work into just because you're mad they didn't buff longbows, how about you go make your own balance patch thats better than EP, since you seen to know everything.

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EP doesnt provide enough features (or new features)
What new features are you thinking of? Right now there's:

- Improved balance They nerfed what they cant play against
- Improved maps I can play on the same maps on RE too
- Anti cheat Just record your games and it will be the same as playing on EP
- Compatibility with UI (ekanta for example) and building rotator I dont know what do you mean by this. But, if its that we can use building rotator, it isnt any big change since any dedicated 1liet+ player has it and rarely anyone below sergeant play on EP or can get a fair game.

1. This is completely false and as ignorant as it is disrespectful.
2. You cannot play rated games on ESOC maps on RE Patch.
3. Recording your games does not prevent cheating in any way, nor does Microsoft do anything if you submit them.
4. He means that those mods are compatible with the patch. On top of this I would like to add that installing and using the patch is very easy and user-friendly.