FI Aztec Pros and Cons

[purplesquid]

Alright add me back on skype and we can do it. I am in a car right now lol.

Please stream!

[Garja]

Committed FIs are never really good. They get close to being actually good when there is something fondamentally broken behind it (e.g. shogunate bug or cover mode bug, or old han) but still they are exposed to so many things that they shouldnt win a tourney game for example. The map does matter tho. Texas is probably the best map for this stuff.

[pecelot]

Can't you scout it by looking at the deck? That's the case with all FI strats, easy to notice when you actually check opponents' decks.

[Jaeger]

So was Diarouga vs H2O streamed by anyone?

[_H2O]

We didn't play I opted for divinity and dinner instead.

[Jaeger]

We didn't play I opted for divinity and dinner instead.

Divinity the videogame? It would be really nice if you guys would play it sometime, this has been a very controversial topic for a while

[Lukas_L99]

Can't you scout it by looking at the deck? That's the case with all FI strats, easy to notice when you actually check opponents' decks.

Well even with the FI deck the aztec can actually go for age2/age3 play

[Diarouga]

Honestly I just need 3 age 4 cards lol.

[pecelot]

Can't you scout it by looking at the deck? That's the case with all FI strats, easy to notice when you actually check opponents' decks.

Well even with the FI deck the aztec can actually go for age2/age3 play

still, it's a reason to expect some shenanigans, since if your opponent opted for an earlier aggression, they would not pick age 4 cards I'd imagine

[Diarouga]

Can't you scout it by looking at the deck? That's the case with all FI strats, easy to notice when you actually check opponents' decks.

Well even with the FI deck the aztec can actually go for age2/age3 play

still, it's a reason to expect some shenanigans, since if your opponent opted for an earlier aggression, they would not pick age 4 cards I'd imagine

I have 24maces and 20maces in all my decks, and I sometimes FI with a non FI deck.

[pecelot]

What about the explorer card? I think it's necessary when FI-ing, but does it see much usage outside of this strategy?

[Jaeger]

What about the explorer card? I think it's necessary when FI-ing, but does it see much usage outside of this strategy?

I wonder if this card is used in treaty

[Diarouga]

What about the explorer card? I think it's necessary when FI-ing, but does it see much usage outside of this strategy?

Of course. If I semi ff, most of the time it will be the first age 3 shipment I'll use.

[Gichtenlord]

What about the explorer card? I think it's necessary when FI-ing, but does it see much usage outside of this strategy?

I wonder if this card is used in treaty

Yeah, on re treaty you definitely want to abuse the wc, but on treaty patch he has a heavy inf tag

[Jaeger]

What about the explorer card? I think it's necessary when FI-ing, but does it see much usage outside of this strategy?

I wonder if this card is used in treaty

Yeah, on re treaty you definitely want to abuse the wc, but on treaty patch he has a heavy inf tag

Well then im a bit surprised how aztec is ranked so low even with this guy

[Gichtenlord]

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What about the explorer card? I think it's necessary when FI-ing, but does it see much usage outside of this strategy?

I wonder if this card is used in treaty

Yeah, on re treaty you definitely want to abuse the wc, but on treaty patch he has a heavy inf tag

Well then im a bit surprised how aztec is ranked so low even with this guy

Wc bug was abused pretty much when diarouga released his FI bo. So it was never relevant, since treaty patch was already out.

[Diarouga]

In treaty it's not really relevant but he dies quite fast.
When you're opponent has only 20 or 30 skirms, he won't die.
But after playing some games vs spadel, I realised that vs 40 lb+20 musk, he dies in like 2 or 3 hits, that's the time you need to get your maces in range to attack, and then you have to dance to get him back, while you would want the attack dance.

I guess it's just the same in treaty, the dance switch requires some apm you would want to macro or micro. Also, since the fight is in the middle of the map, he takes ages to come (even if he's really fast), to just tank a bit and die.

[Garja]

Wc bug is like 3-4 years old, just like FI strats. Just go on jap site and you will see some recs.

[Aizamk]

First time I encountered it was vs Boneng 1-2 years ago IIRC

[Diarouga]

Wc bug is like 3-4 years old, just like FI strats. Just go on jap site and you will see some recs.

I know, but they do it poorly honestly. By that I mean that their BOs are pretty bad.
If you check nagayumi's game vs bsop, he went for the right card order (3wp/5v/600g), but he just puts his wp on the exp dance untill he ages, and then trains more, which means that his BO doesn't reach the 4th age before mine, but he has like 2 less shipments, isn't that huge?

Boneng, on the other hand, trains wp asap, but he doesn't put vills on the firepit, and thus, has to age without the 600g (because it takes more time to train, ie less exp etc). So at the end, I age before him and with more exp, same, it's a big deal.

[WickedCossack]

First time I encountered it was vs Boneng 1-2 years ago IIRC

Nob. It was actually first invented in 1325 when Tenochtitlan was built but went out of fashion in 1521 when the Spanish conquistadors invaded and eradicated the strategy. Boneng probably found an ancient scroll on a fishing trip to Nicaragua or Honduras and has been exploiting it ever since.

Nilla scrubs know nothing about the history of this great game.

[Aizamk]

First time I encountered it was vs Boneng 1-2 years ago IIRC

Nob. It was actually first invented in 1325 when Tenochtitlan was built but went out of fashion in 1521 when the Spanish conquistadors invaded and eradicated the strategy. Boneng probably found an ancient scroll on a fishing trip to Nicaragua or Honduras and has been exploiting it ever since.

Nilla scrubs know nothing about the history of this great game.

Fite my Zulus later and we'll see who's rite, I dare you

[WickedCossack]

First time I encountered it was vs Boneng 1-2 years ago IIRC

Nob. It was actually first invented in 1325 when Tenochtitlan was built but went out of fashion in 1521 when the Spanish conquistadors invaded and eradicated the strategy. Boneng probably found an ancient scroll on a fishing trip to Nicaragua or Honduras and has been exploiting it ever since.

Nilla scrubs know nothing about the history of this great game.

Fite my Zulus later and we'll see who's rite, I dare you

So you want another siege of Ulundi? This can be arranged.

[Jaeger]

In treaty it's not really relevant but he dies quite fast.
When you're opponent has only 20 or 30 skirms, he won't die.
But after playing some games vs spadel, I realised that vs 40 lb+20 musk, he dies in like 2 or 3 hits, that's the time you need to get your maces in range to attack, and then you have to dance to get him back, while you would want the attack dance.

I guess it's just the same in treaty, the dance switch requires some apm you would want to macro or micro. Also, since the fight is in the middle of the map, he takes ages to come (even if he's really fast), to just tank a bit and die.

So are you saying this strat does not beat brit? If so, how can it beat Japan, when yumi >>lb?

[Diarouga]

In treaty it's not really relevant but he dies quite fast.
When you're opponent has only 20 or 30 skirms, he won't die.
But after playing some games vs spadel, I realised that vs 40 lb+20 musk, he dies in like 2 or 3 hits, that's the time you need to get your maces in range to attack, and then you have to dance to get him back, while you would want the attack dance.

I guess it's just the same in treaty, the dance switch requires some apm you would want to macro or micro. Also, since the fight is in the middle of the map, he takes ages to come (even if he's really fast), to just tank a bit and die.

So are you saying this strat does not beat brit? If so, how can it beat Japan, when yumi >>lb?

Against brit it's very close, but the difference is that japan can't mass as much as brit, so you can always trade and then the wc still rapes.