Why is Iroquois considered so overpowered?

thebuckster1 · Post by **thebuckster1** » 04 Jun 2015, 22:25

I've heard loads of people saying it, but haven't played them at all and don't know enough about the game and the meta to understand why they are considered the best civ by so many people.

Goodspeed · Post by **Goodspeed** » 04 Jun 2015, 22:27

http://eso-community.net/thread/140/tad-guide-3 page 63

thebuckster1 · Post by **thebuckster1** » 04 Jun 2015, 22:35

calmyourtits wrote:http://eso-community.net/thread/140/tad-guide-3 page 63

Wow, I had no idea this existed, thanks!

iNcog · Post by **iNcog** » 04 Jun 2015, 22:41

without reading the guide,

i'm guessing it's because they have map control right off the bat, with a strong economy behind it (+TPs)

as well as a very solid FF

they're basically hard to touch, overall too safe, they can get away with anything. it's not necessarily their rush which is amazing

thebuckster1 · Post by **thebuckster1** » 04 Jun 2015, 22:49

How do they have map control right off the bat?

bart331 · Post by **bart331** » 04 Jun 2015, 22:54

They have a very fast ageup and get a free warhut with it, but besides the rush they arent much special. Its just that rush or timing wins 99%

cowhax · Post by **cowhax** » 04 Jun 2015, 23:07

incog wrote:without reading the guide,

i''m guessing it''s because they have map control right off the bat, with a strong economy behind it (+TPs)

as well as a very solid FF

they''re basically hard to touch, overall too safe, they can get away with anything. it''s not necessarily their rush which is amazing

no.

It''s the war chief HP aura, 4 kanye in age 2 shipment, overall cost-effectiveness. They''re not broken or unbeatable, they''re just strong in any age. And basically you have to keep their war chief dead to stand a chance.

SoldieR · Post by **SoldieR** » 05 Jun 2015, 00:38

Their rush is hard for people under pr32 to stop.
Over pr32, they are so versitle and unpredictable, hard to scout. They can rush you at 5 min, or still forward build but send 5vil/4vil for Eco. Or same thing and send coin and ff. There is just a small window where for you to scout or guess which of variety of starts they are doing.
In other words, iro always dictates the pace of game, all other civs have to REACT to them.

aoefan4life · Post by **aoefan4life** » 05 Jun 2015, 02:14

Their really fast rush has a good eco backing it up. Using a tp gives great xp and you can even ship 5 vills before the warhut is up and then start your rush then lol

deleted_user0 · Post by **deleted_user0** » 05 Jun 2015, 02:38

bart331 wrote:They have a very fast ageup and get a free warhut with it, but besides the rush they arent much special. Its just that rush or timing wins 99%

Actually not. I barely ever rushed iro. And i have a 75% winrate with them. Thats on qs where i often get maps such as indochina or bayou vs civs such as japan or india which means the roles are reversed from tp maps and its iro that autoloses. If you take out those maps i guess the winrate is 85 or up. I usually did a greedy opening followed by a timing, which usually wins cuz upgraded aenna toma deathball is so epic and kanya are decent enough support. Otherwise a semi or ff will do the trick. The rush is really good too but somehow i never liked it, if i wouldnt always go mac greed with iro i would probably not lose except in mirrors or on those maps mentioned before because most other losses i got caught offguard by agressive openings which were designed to kill the iro rush.

In the end what makes iro op like otto are a few strong core units, tho iro has no broken ones like abus or mams. Their speedy age up with a good eco behind it (otto early tp eco is very strong, they just cant really grow after that) and they are very versatile. They can do so many things and change it up before you know it. A wellplayed iro wouldnt drop a single map vs other civs in the tp maps of the tourney tho, but i feel while they edge out otto in their encounters whether it is ff or colo play, they are more vulnerable to gimmicky play such as wall up FI or revo, wall up fish boom and ship lame and those kind of strats

Good ol Ivan · Post by **Good ol Ivan** » 05 Jun 2015, 04:18

umeu wrote: they are more vulnerable to gimmicky play such as wall up FI or revo, wall up fish boom and ship lame and those kind of strats

u wut m8.
That shit is countered by rushing. And Iro are beasts at rushing.

deleted_user0 · Post by **deleted_user0** » 05 Jun 2015, 04:35

Nah thats not countered by rushing. In fact rushing is the easiest way to lose vs that.

Mind you im notsaying iro is very weak to that (tho they have a weakness vs hardcore water) im just saying that compared to otto, iro is more vulnerable to this kind of play

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 05 Jun 2015, 05:13

Water boom is a very good strat vs iro even if it seems stupid to boom vs a rush.

DerMaxinator · Post by **DerMaxinator** » 05 Jun 2015, 05:32

But you can always defend rushs with walls+Unit shipment+MM if you boom/water

benj89 · Post by **benj89** » 05 Jun 2015, 05:40

then you can rush water :p

Marco1698 · Post by **Marco1698** » 05 Jun 2015, 05:47

Iro can reach 2age to 3 minutes about. Then they can ship 4 Kanya and utilise 500 food from Tc to make toma. Practically they have got a strong and very fast rush who's unstoppable for many players. Re patch is quite balanced but look like Iro is always a step ahead than others civs. His ff is good too. Iamgrunt for example played always the best civs (iro too)

rsy · Post by **rsy** » 12 Jun 2015, 03:14

I HATE IRO LAMERS
check out cardiffscott13's ELO 100% iro kymapannda as well
:/

gibson · Post by **gibson** » 12 Jun 2015, 03:30

rsy wrote:I HATE IRO LAMERS
check out cardiffscott13''s ELO 100% iro kymapannda as well
:/

No one like cardiff all he do host 1v1 iro and he doesn''t even win that much

Jaeger · Post by **Jaeger** » 12 Jun 2015, 05:02

gibson wrote:
rsy wrote:I HATE IRO LAMERS
check out cardiffscott13s ELO 100% iro kymapannda as well
:/
No one like cardiff all he do host 1v1 iro and he doesnt even win that much

Yes Iro or japan on siberia, and he sucks but still wins just cause of that

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 12 Jun 2015, 05:06

Kymapandda is also a terrible player.

deleted_user0 · Post by **deleted_user0** » 12 Jun 2015, 06:11

Cardiff is a nicer person than u bitchezzz

Panda on the other hand :p

bart331 · Post by **bart331** » 12 Jun 2015, 06:28

Once paused a game against kymapannda, came back all my vills dead. Such a nice guy

SoldieR · Post by **SoldieR** » 12 Jun 2015, 08:41

Masterscott used to only play Otto on gp like 8 years ago. And he was up to pr35 lul

iNcog · Post by **iNcog** » 12 Jun 2015, 16:08

i have that cardiff guy pested lol, i'm such an asshole

basically he asked for a game when he was a 2nd lt with a 43% win rate. he said he was new to the game and just looking to improve

so i'm like OK i'll just play this guy

and i just get rekt in a jap mirror, not like i played well but he was no 2nd lt

i figured he was a smurf and he kept asking me for games after that and i got annoyed

sorry cardiff q_q

tbh i checked a couple weeks later and he was a major with 43% win rate.

that guy is 100% a smurf

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