Tip of the day -- Improve ur treasures hunting skills

[Challenger_Marco]

Hey the idea that peacelot said u can practice this on Lost map or ty it out on scenario editor were u can lay treasures and play there. Lost map which is game with full of treasures u can try it out there and also u can also use my technique I think many of them knows this use ur scout to gt the treasures I have posted my comment on this on triangular treasure please check that out if u practice these u would significantly improven ur treasures hunting skills by seeing this link https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zdSSVCfDOeg{ thx @sircallen

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for mentioning the link } all those skills I got is from playing Lost Idk lost map is there on TAD but there is on Nilla u can try there. The link where is posted my ideas is this viewtopic.php?p=196573#p196573 please check that out!

[momuuu]

Someone link parfait's video on this pls.

[deleted_user]

Yes, the very concise, 10 min video on creeping by Parfait: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zdSSVCfDOeg

[pecelot]

For the best Lost map, check out this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=33&t=6275

[_H2O]

I think there are a lot of better ways to creep than that video lays out. And it skips over age 1 dynamics. (Sometimes to minimize steal risk you creep differently).

It's a good pr 25 starting point. If you are higher than that then you should be looking to push your age 1 play well beyond that.

[Nathan_Drake98]

I think there are a lot of better ways to creep than that video lays out. And it skips over age 1 dynamics. (Sometimes to minimize steal risk you creep differently).

It's a good pr 25 starting point. If you are higher than that then you should be looking to push your age 1 play well beyond that.

Can you give more tips?

[_H2O]

I don't have the time to do it right. Would love Kaiser or Mitoe to write something. Those are the other two players who I think get it really well.

Maybe I can build on that

[macacoalbino]

Watch ryans streams or his explains series with interjection, he usually talks a lot about treasures on them!
Watching a lot of those made me realize how big age 1 can be in a match.

[momuuu]

Pro tip: dont care as much about age 1. It often doesnt matter that much and the fact that it fucks with your mentality is a much bigger deal.

[sdsanft]

Watch ryans streams or his explains series with interjection, he usually talks a lot about treasures on them!
Watching a lot of those made me realize how big age 1 can be in a match.

iirc, veni talks a lot about this too in some of his casts. I remember a specific one he talked about, Spain vs Russia or sth like that on Hudson bay casting with interjection. Anybody else remember what I'm talking about?

[Challenger_Marco]

Watch ryans streams or his explains series with interjection, he usually talks a lot about treasures on them!
Watching a lot of those made me realize how big age 1 can be in a match.

iirc, veni talks a lot about this too in some of his casts. I remember a specific one he talked about, Spain vs Russia or sth like that on Hudson bay casting with interjection. Anybody else remember what I'm talking about?

There's his video on YouTube about treasure hunting.

[Nathan_Drake98]

So veni and _H2O's streams?
I'll watch it, thanks! I think that treasure hunting is a big part of the game but I'm bad at it.

[_H2O]

Watch the age 1 in h2o explains videos. Those do provide a lot of real examples.

[pecelot]

Pro tip: dont care as much about age 1. It often doesnt matter that much and the fact that it fucks with your mentality is a much bigger deal.

Although you shouldn't really care about treasures stolen and such, I do think you should always maximise your potential in age 1, as there is not a lot to be done. Micro vills perfectly, check opponent's deck, try to creep nicely, too.

[rsy]

A great example of the effects of age 1 in a game is game 5 of best trash can vs British musketeer. Duck had a huge lead going into age 2 coz of the age 1 shenanigans

[deleted_user]

Lost maps are random treasure spawn so the answer is NO. Also.. "exploring is skill " h2o

[pecelot]

randomness factor is rather irrelevant in terms of creeping, right

[britishmusketeer]

A great example of the effects of age 1 in a game is game 5 of best trash can vs British musketeer. Duck had a huge lead going into age 2 coz of the age 1 shenanigans

;p

[Kaiserklein]

Pro tip: dont care as much about age 1. It often doesnt matter that much and the fact that it fucks with your mentality is a much bigger deal.

Most people do this and that's why they lose hard in age 1 and then say it's luck, when in fact there's a (big) part of skill


Maybe I will at some point do a first person video like this guy did about treasures, or write a guide idk. I feel like most people underrate age 1

[Gendarme]

randomness factor is rather irrelevant in terms of creeping, right

The guardian runs in a random direction after you shoot it while being outside of the zone yourself, and if you are unlucky and it runs out of the zone itself, it will reset. You either hope this doesn't happen, or you stop creeping and walk inside the ring of death.

[deleted_user0]

sure its partly skill, but let's take Silk Road map for example.

There is two spots where usually a big wood or food or coin tres will spawn. It's near the nat tp's on the side of the map. So you can either go for the tres spot closest to your base, or you can go to the tres spot closest to the enemy base. Let's say spot A belongs to player 1 and spot B belongs to player 2.

So 4 things can happen
Both players go to their own spot. 1 goes to A, 2 goes to B
Player 1 goes to A but player 2 also goes to A
Player 2 goes to B but player 1 also goes to B
Both players go to enemy spot, 1 goes to B and 2 goes to A.

In the first and last scenario, there is really no skill involved, it's just about luck. 1 spot will likely have a 90w tres, the other will have like 80f tres or maybe some shitty horse siege tres.
In the middle scenario's, you can say well, the skilled player should always go hunt for the enemy tres, so he can steal it, cuz hes better at clicking to pick up tres and hes better at avoiding tres bug, but if both players do this, you end up with the last scenario, and were back at luck deciding tres hunting.

People say age1 is skill, but it's not that much, i mean sure, creeping is a skill but it's not a big skill. Most of age1 is knowledge, knowing where the best tres are on each map, and also knowing your opponent so you can predict wether he will go for your tres or go for his own, and it's experience, knowing roughly where your opponent can be on the map, depending from how far you arefrom his base or where he just picked up a tres. This is not skill, but it's definitely not just luck either.

But let's face it, you can have a good scouting pattern, but sometimes the map will just spawn shitty tres there. like on yukon you always go top asap. Sometimes you find a 125w tres just outside your base, and your opponent is most likely going to be too late to steal it, even if he walked straight to it. Some other time all that you will find is the huge 500 res tres or a polar bear tres. You just can't deny that it is luck.

[Kaiserklein]

randomness factor is rather irrelevant in terms of creeping, right

They guardian runs in a random direction after you shoot it while being outside of the zone yourself, and if you are unlucky and it runs out of the zone itself, it will reset. You either hope this doesn't happen, or you stop creeping and walk inside the ring of death.

That's exactly the kind of stuff people should know but don't know. If you do a line with the treasure, the guardian and your explorer, with your explorer being out of range of the guardian, when you shoot at him he will not run in a shit direction (he will always stay in what you call the "ring")

[Gendarme]

I thought the ring was around the treasure (i.e. if it runs too far away from the treasure it will reset), and not affected by the position of the explorer.

[pecelot]

randomness factor is rather irrelevant in terms of creeping, right

The guardian runs in a random direction after you shoot it while being outside of the zone yourself, and if you are unlucky and it runs out of the zone itself, it will reset. You either hope this doesn't happen, or you stop creeping and walk inside the ring of death.

It's not the randomness I meant initially, but I hope it was explained enough above.

[Gendarme]

@umeu

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Yukon is a bad example; everyone does the same scouting pattern and are aware of the 125w treasure - so apart from creeping and stealing it's luck. Furthermore, knowledge is a part of skill (at least the way people use the word). If you put your pikeman who's taking fire from the TP in cover mode while I don't, you're regarded as more skillful in that regard, even though I would do the same if I only had realised the fact that cover mode reduces outpost damage.