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Jerom wrote:If only theyd just maintain eso and ban hackers. That'd make me soooo happy.

Agree, i miss a lot Mr_Millo

That guy actually interested in playing this game aswell. do you have a story with him?
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09 Jan 2017, 19:23

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09 Jan 2017, 21:05

#ForeverMasterSergeant

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09 Jan 2017, 22:52

breeze wrote:
r4go wrote:
Jerom wrote:If only theyd just maintain eso and ban hackers. That'd make me soooo happy.

Agree, i miss a lot Mr_Millo

That guy actually interested in playing this game aswell. do you have a story with him?

ofc i've. he raped me <3
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10 Jan 2017, 02:02

giveuanxiety wrote:A pr 32 is definitely better than a pr 32 back in the day. And there is also more tournaments in aoe3 now then there ever has been. Definitely wouldn't say the game is dead. Tbh it is probably real close to its best state ever.
In some ways, what you're saying has a lot of truth to it. In others, it's rather delusional. Mainly, official support and level of skill are at an all-time low, I'd say.
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10 Jan 2017, 05:06

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giveuanxiety wrote:A pr 32 is definitely better than a pr 32 back in the day. And there is also more tournaments in aoe3 now then there ever has been. Definitely wouldn't say the game is dead. Tbh it is probably real close to its best state ever.
In some ways, what you're saying has a lot of truth to it. In others, it's rather delusional. Mainly, official support and level of skill are at an all-time low, I'd say.


Not true at all. The more players, the more ratings are inflated by definition (more total points in the system changing hands with a larger base of low-ranked players submitting PR).

Think about how common PRs in the 40+ were back in the day. These days there are only a handful. In all honesty, a PR 26 plays as well as a PR34 from ~2010.
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10 Jan 2017, 05:53

ya voodoo is definitely right. and to the guy saying I lost to pr 32's like 7 years ago, thats true but I have become a much better rts player since then. back in the day when aoe3 first started declining people like my brother soldier were ranked major general. and now there is basically no legit major generals today. and exactly what voodoo said.
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10 Jan 2017, 06:02

VooDoo_BoSs wrote:
zoom wrote:
giveuanxiety wrote:A pr 32 is definitely better than a pr 32 back in the day. And there is also more tournaments in aoe3 now then there ever has been. Definitely wouldn't say the game is dead. Tbh it is probably real close to its best state ever.
In some ways, what you're saying has a lot of truth to it. In others, it's rather delusional. Mainly, official support and level of skill are at an all-time low, I'd say.


Not true at all. The more players, the more ratings are inflated by definition (more total points in the system changing hands with a larger base of low-ranked players submitting PR).

Think about how common PRs in the 40+ were back in the day. These days there are only a handful. In all honesty, a PR 26 plays as well as a PR34 from ~2010.

well said
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10 Jan 2017, 08:31

VooDoo_BoSs wrote:
zoom wrote:
giveuanxiety wrote:A pr 32 is definitely better than a pr 32 back in the day. And there is also more tournaments in aoe3 now then there ever has been. Definitely wouldn't say the game is dead. Tbh it is probably real close to its best state ever.
In some ways, what you're saying has a lot of truth to it. In others, it's rather delusional. Mainly, official support and level of skill are at an all-time low, I'd say.


Not true at all. The more players, the more ratings are inflated by definition (more total points in the system changing hands with a larger base of low-ranked players submitting PR).

Think about how common PRs in the 40+ were back in the day. These days there are only a handful. In all honesty, a PR 26 plays as well as a PR34 from ~2010.

Do you think 2010 is the old meta?? And no lol. A pr 26 doesn't play well like a pr34 of 2010. Capitan of now are lt in the active meta (2005-09). @giveyouanxiety your brother used to play a lot and more to be competitive. He was much better then now. Now he is not so active and not so interested to be competitive. Your brother on his top was very strong and he faced players more op then the guys you can meet know. H20 is still the best player we have seen in the last years and he comes from the old meta. He owned hard in this years when he was very far from his top. Now the skills are low in age. Personally now i'm pr 28 and i'm like my 30% compared to my top. Whit my actually skills in the active meta i will be a 24-25, not more. Braidom not on his top umiliated samwise on his top (check the youtube video) whit russia vs french on GP. Now is really easy being cap or major becouse the skills are low. It is not a flaming, this is what happen in a dead game. No players, no big competition, no hight skills
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10 Jan 2017, 08:37

giveuanxiety wrote:ya voodoo is definitely right. and to the guy saying I lost to pr 32's like 7 years ago, thats true but I have become a much better rts player since then. back in the day when aoe3 first started declining people like my brother soldier were ranked major general. and now there is basically no legit major generals today. and exactly what voodoo said.

You lost vs player that was pr 33-34 in the old meta in the last days. Luke, nerpio for example. Luke now is very fsr from his top and he was a pr 33 in old meta. Spadel is far from his top and is one of the best now (old meta). What i want to say, players on old meta now are playing this meta whit not their skills on their top and they reached a better elo and pr.
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10 Jan 2017, 08:50

I hear what you are saying and people can argue with you all day. But just so you know you are wrong.
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10 Jan 2017, 10:23

r4go wrote: Personally now i'm pr 28 and i'm like my 30% compared to my top.


ya trippin :P
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10 Jan 2017, 10:39

knusch wrote:
r4go wrote: Personally now i'm pr 28 and i'm like my 30% compared to my top.


ya trippin :P


28/3= about 9
9x10=90
R4go PR 90? Someone check his stats for 2009 pls
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10 Jan 2017, 11:07

I think people are quite a bit worse nowadays. In 2010 I wpuldnt have had a shot at good tournament results, yet I dont think im much better nowadays, feels like my skill level is similair atm.

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10 Jan 2017, 11:18

giveuanxiety wrote:ya voodoo is definitely right. and to the guy saying I lost to pr 32's like 7 years ago, thats true but I have become a much better rts player since then. back in the day when aoe3 first started declining people like my brother soldier were ranked major general. and now there is basically no legit major generals today. and exactly what voodoo said.


Ranks were inflated because more players, so its easier to get a higher rank and maintain it. However, we all know rank has little to do with skill. And jerom etc has a shot at the tournaments now perhaps becuase of the same reason, less players in general means less good players in particular.
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10 Jan 2017, 11:26

Jerom wrote:I think people are quite a bit worse nowadays. In 2010 I wpuldnt have had a shot at good tournament results, yet I dont think im much better nowadays, feels like my skill level is similair atm.

People mostly didn't join the tourney, or are doing a break, you can't judg the level like this
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10 Jan 2017, 11:42

Well I can also beat top players which was impossible for me back in 2010, and I really dont think I've improved much at all. A major right now is just shitty at the game tbh. And 1st lts are much worse than they used to be, for sure.

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10 Jan 2017, 11:46

you are talking bs. you have obviously improved. perhaps not your apm or "skill" but you know much more about the game, and this is mostly a knowledge game.
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10 Jan 2017, 11:51

Again This discussion.hasnt rhis been discussed in depth in another thread. Skill was higher back in The day.More Players = More Skill quite simple. Doesnt automatically mean that todays top Players couldnt get to The same Level as old ones if they had The same competitive environment as The old pros.
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10 Jan 2017, 12:09

Well, I think I have quite a bit of authority in this discussion, because I was around since before day 1 and really only stopped for maybe 8 months at a time at most (excluding the time i was on AOEO).

PR42 in 2007 is now PR 37. Basically add 5PR to current ranks and that is how I think of each player.

I used to play Lt Col's back then knowing I was going to win, and gain about .075PR. It was noob bashing for me essentially. The only way i'd lose to PR33- was if they did some type of side proxy rush that i didnt scout and they run to my tc with 40 pike when im almost aged to fortress. PR 32 was the limit of what I would play vs. I felt it wasnt a challenge and just pointless to risk losing PR in a cheese loss that would take 5 wins to make back. I would not play vs anyone ranked Major or lower. Now, my limit is you must be Captain (1v1s). So PR 26 vs PR 32.

I, and everyone else, know a lot more detail in this game now. I may not know counter strats for each civ as good now, but I think im just as good a player. TBH i really only played sioux and german (both of which were probably undercover op for yeeeaarsss) back then and only really learned how to even do the french 5/5 build in like mmm 2009, when most people stopped playing.
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10 Jan 2017, 12:17

@IAmsoldier lets play
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10 Jan 2017, 13:27

Less players, less PR tiers, less PR score in general. Especially there is really no tier1 anymore because the low amount of high end players and decreased activity. They all fall in the same top tier more or less. Also knowledge is more widespread so it's harder to differentiate.
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10 Jan 2017, 13:32

milku3459 wrote:
knusch wrote:
r4go wrote: Personally now i'm pr 28 and i'm like my 30% compared to my top.


ya trippin :P


28/3= about 9
9x10=90
R4go PR 90? Someone check his stats for 2009 pls

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10 Jan 2017, 13:36

giveuanxiety wrote:I hear what you are saying and people can argue with you all day. But just so you know you are wrong.

I don't think i'm wrong Sorry. I feel you are.
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10 Jan 2017, 13:40

lordraphael wrote:Again This discussion.hasnt rhis been discussed in depth in another thread. Skill was higher back in The day.More Players = More Skill quite simple. Doesnt automatically mean that todays top Players couldnt get to The same Level as old ones if they had The same competitive environment as The old pros.

I agree, now there are some top players that Can get the same in the old and Active metà. But i'm not speaker of top players, but of the rank in general. I don't think a cap of now Can Be a pr 34 in the old meta. What i mean is that now the skills are low in age, PR and elo hight. But ofc there are players, top player like you, irish or bsop that Can Be op now as in the old meta.
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