Apoligizing letter.

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Re: Apoligizing letter.

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Jerom wrote:When I see an apology I always wonder, are you sorry for what you did or do you feel sorry for the consequences?

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This is against the rules? Looks like the rules or their interpretation needs work, then.

Very interesting.
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Erdogan apologizes, hmmmmm, i don't think its honest.....
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zoom wrote:
Jerom wrote:When I see an apology I always wonder, are you sorry for what you did or do you feel sorry for the consequences?

User was warned for this post. --duck
This is against the rules? Looks like the rules or their interpretation needs work, then.

Very interesting.


Not normally, but in this particular context it was against the rules. In this context Jerom had been instructed to be civil, and his message was determined by me to be not civil. Even then the post would have merited a deletion rather than a warning, but evilcheadar started up a quote train and I decided that it would be better to leave the post up with a warning to avoid a potentially messy set of deletions. If you or anyone has further questions or comments, please send me a PM.

You're correct that the rules need work (though it does not apply here), and fortunately, that is a medium- to long-term project that I'm working on right now! I am concerned, however, about your statement that the interpretation of the rules need work. This is because there's a meaningful distinction between the phrases "the staff's interpretation of the rules needs work" and "the members' interpretation of the rules needs work", but when you just say that the interpretation of the rules needs work, you're not being clear which of the above you mean. If you mean both, then you need to be more specific about that too. If you mean one of them, but intentionally are not specifying which, then you are not giving actionable feedback.

For example, if you say that, intending to say that the staff's interpretation of the rules needs work but not specifying so, then we might interpret that as you saying that the users' interpretation of the rules needs work. We'd put a lot of resources into improving one thing, but it would be a disaster, because we'd both be working on something that doesn't necessarily need work, and not working on something that does.

I know that everyone at ESOC comes from different places around the world and in life, and many people are speaking English as a second, third, or even further-out language, making it difficult to communicate precisely their intent. Please try, however, to write your posts as clearly as possible at all times, especially in the case of providing feedback to the staff. It is difficult to move forward with feedback unless we can easily identify actionable items within it, and when your posts are unclear like before, it can lead to potentially catastrophic consequences.
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Atomiswave wrote:Erdogan apologizes, hmmmmm, i don't think its honest.....

racist!
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tedere12 wrote:
Atomiswave wrote:Erdogan apologizes, hmmmmm, i don't think its honest.....

racist!


LOL, racism doesn't have anything to do with it. It was a joke.......
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Vinyanyérë wrote:
zoom wrote:
Jerom wrote:When I see an apology I always wonder, are you sorry for what you did or do you feel sorry for the consequences?

User was warned for this post. --duck
This is against the rules? Looks like the rules or their interpretation needs work, then.

Very interesting.


Not normally, but in this particular context it was against the rules. In this context Jerom had been instructed to be civil, and his message was determined by me to be not civil. Even then the post would have merited a deletion rather than a warning, but evilcheadar started up a quote train and I decided that it would be better to leave the post up with a warning to avoid a potentially messy set of deletions. If you or anyone has further questions or comments, please send me a PM.

You're correct that the rules need work (though it does not apply here), and fortunately, that is a medium- to long-term project that I'm working on right now! I am concerned, however, about your statement that the interpretation of the rules need work. This is because there's a meaningful distinction between the phrases "the staff's interpretation of the rules needs work" and "the members' interpretation of the rules needs work", but when you just say that the interpretation of the rules needs work, you're not being clear which of the above you mean. If you mean both, then you need to be more specific about that too. If you mean one of them, but intentionally are not specifying which, then you are not giving actionable feedback.

For example, if you say that, intending to say that the staff's interpretation of the rules needs work but not specifying so, then we might interpret that as you saying that the users' interpretation of the rules needs work. We'd put a lot of resources into improving one thing, but it would be a disaster, because we'd both be working on something that doesn't necessarily need work, and not working on something that does.

I know that everyone at ESOC comes from different places around the world and in life, and many people are speaking English as a second, third, or even further-out language, making it difficult to communicate precisely their intent. Please try, however, to write your posts as clearly as possible at all times, especially in the case of providing feedback to the staff. It is difficult to move forward with feedback unless we can easily identify actionable items within it, and when your posts are unclear like before, it can lead to potentially catastrophic consequences.
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I agree. He should be warned for that post.
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Atomiswave wrote:
tedere12 wrote:
Atomiswave wrote:Erdogan apologizes, hmmmmm, i don't think its honest.....

racist!


LOL, racism doesn't have anything to do with it. It was a joke.......

Racist jokes have no place in this forum.
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Re: Apoligizing letter.

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tedere12 wrote:
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LOL, racism doesn't have anything to do with it. It was a joke.......

Racist jokes have no place in this forum.


Your definition of racism is weird.....
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Atomiswave wrote:
tedere12 wrote:
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Racist jokes have no place in this forum.


Your definition of racism is weird.....

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tedere12 wrote:
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Your definition of racism is weird.....

no


Explain it then, where do you see racism in my remark?
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Re: Apoligizing letter.

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Atomiswave wrote:
tedere12 wrote:
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no


Explain it then, where do you see racism in my remark?

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