Tell me why Nilla is worse than TAD :D

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_H2O wrote:Yeah I would say that France goes double rax bows wth like 4-10 pokes and cannot lose. Once you have 40 bows the bumping of the cav and the fact that the front ones all die in one volley makes it almost impossible to break without just going pure bow yourself.

The last time I played vanilla was to troll chicks. He would ff as German in the mirror and make pure ulhan. I would make pure skirm and just win with 30-40 skirms left, same scores before fight. Gg so fun.

While mono yumi or mono ashi winning is fun? Or iro rush? Or sioux's br you can't counter easy? Or ulhan owning so hard? Jinette + attack move =win is fun?? :biggrin: :biggrin: or china old han?. India whit all the possible units in age2? :biggrin:
Nilla requires more apm and micro. Skirms xbow can do good vs cav if they hit and run back. Bit if you have a lot of cav u just win. Only in tad 5huss >> 60 strelz/xbow and maybe lb/skirm (70% die for sure).
Tad really sux in term of belanced.
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Can someome post what hotkeys are on tad that are not on nilla? This can be good i guess
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r4go wrote:While mono yumi or mono ashi winning is fun? Or iro rush? Or sioux's br you can't counter easy? Or ulhan owning so hard? Jinette + attack move =win is fun?? :biggrin: :biggrin: or china old han?. India whit all the possible units in age2? :biggrin:
Nilla requires more apm and micro. Skirms xbow can do good vs cav if they hit and run back. Bit if you have a lot of cav u just win. Only in tad 5huss >> 60 strelz/xbow and maybe lb/skirm (70% die for sure).
Tad really sux in term of belanced.

Except that there are lots on euro civs on on the level if not better than the civs you described(minus re iro ofc)
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r4go wrote:Can someome post what hotkeys are on tad that are not on nilla? This can be good i guess

I think the big deal is that hotkey conflicts are not allowed, i.e musketeers and janissaries cannot have the same hotkey. The big one that I notice a lot is that there is no eject hotkey for buildings other than the town center, so you actually have to click the button on outposts and other buildings.
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_H2O wrote:Yeah I would say that France goes double rax bows wth like 4-10 pokes and cannot lose. Once you have 40 bows the bumping of the cav and the fact that the front ones all die in one volley makes it almost impossible to break without just going pure bow yourself.

The last time I played vanilla was to troll chicks. He would ff as German in the mirror and make pure ulhan. I would make pure skirm and just win with 30-40 skirms left, same scores before fight. Gg so fun.

Thats mostly because Uhlans, Hussars, Cossacks, as well as most other hand cav, only have a 20% range resist, not the 30% they have on TAD. Personally, I think that one change is really all you would have to do balance-wise to make Nilla a great game mode. Maybe reducing xbow attack and giving them a multiplier against HI, but idk. But, I think this really all comes down to preference after all. I personally like vanilla a lot, probably equally to TAD, simply becuase of how much more interesting and intricate I find the matchups. Esspecially with Riki's Vanilla mod, which had a few tiny balance changes and gave you the ability to play on ESOC maps, Vanilla is super fun.
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Darwin_ wrote:Thats mostly because Uhlans, Hussars, Cossacks, as well as most other hand cav, only have a 20% range resist, not the 30% they have on TAD

hussars have 20% rr on tad.
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Hmm the do

However, I think the increase would still be good for Vanilla balance.
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umeu wrote:When nilla was active, it didnt produce worse players. If there is a skill gap now its cause of there being less players in general. I was playing exclusively vanilla at that time as did many others. But almost all of us switched to tad around pk4. But after that a few good players still came from nilla, most notably irishfaithful

Point being, if ur going to be good at aoe, you will most likely be good on either version. Nilla has fewer good players simply cuz it has fewer players

I think it's safe to say that you and Aizamk are better players on TAD than you were when you both were 100% vanilla.

You and Aizamk were a joke compared to your skills now on TAD. I think the TAD Aiz and Umeu could pwn the Vanilla aiz and umeu right?

Being OP on vanilla is easy because the competition is not there and that's where your confusion lies.
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umeu wrote:When nilla was active, it didnt produce worse players. If there is a skill gap now its cause of there being less players in general. I was playing exclusively vanilla at that time as did many others. But almost all of us switched to tad around pk4. But after that a few good players still came from nilla, most notably irishfaithful

Point being, if ur going to be good at aoe, you will most likely be good on either version. Nilla has fewer good players simply cuz it has fewer players

For the record I wasn't trying to imply that Nilla players are worse, but a captain on TAD is better than a captain on Nilla simply because of rating inflation and stuff like that. :P
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Yeah rating inflation is through the roof. I played a few different people today all in the pr 23-27 range and they all played like a pr 16 on TAD.
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On nilla they just play otto and jan rush.
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Yeah pr inflation is real big on nilla.

@r4go if you cant beat a single batch of cav with 60RI I think your just bad at micro. Don't flame. On TAD the RPS system is actually balanced so that units counter what they're supposed to.

@darnonymousmybelovedottolamer the MU thing might be true if anyone actually played nilla but right now the only meta is to musk rush as fast as possible no matter what civ you play. Now I understand why you like so much XD. Shtay shexy :love:
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Nilla is just much more balanced, so sometimes more fun to play there :)
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r4go wrote:
_H2O wrote:Yeah I would say that France goes double rax bows wth like 4-10 pokes and cannot lose. Once you have 40 bows the bumping of the cav and the fact that the front ones all die in one volley makes it almost impossible to break without just going pure bow yourself.

The last time I played vanilla was to troll chicks. He would ff as German in the mirror and make pure ulhan. I would make pure skirm and just win with 30-40 skirms left, same scores before fight. Gg so fun.

While mono yumi or mono ashi winning is fun? Or iro rush? Or sioux's br you can't counter easy? Or ulhan owning so hard? Jinette + attack move =win is fun?? :biggrin: :biggrin: or china old han?. India whit all the possible units in age2? :biggrin:
Nilla requires more apm and micro. Skirms xbow can do good vs cav if they hit and run back. Bit if you have a lot of cav u just win. Only in tad 5huss >> 60 strelz/xbow and maybe lb/skirm (70% die for sure).
Tad really sux in term of belanced.

No, you cant even snare RI with the 5 hus, which is very very unfair
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Well after the games we played yesterday I think we proved that you can, though the cav died more quickly than they would have on TAD.
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The gaming experience is very poor, same as in AoC, thank God you can at least shift-click commands :hehe: Although the layout, UI, graphics are vastly superior to the TAD ones, gotta love the origins!
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OrangeRage wrote:
umeu wrote:When nilla was active, it didnt produce worse players. If there is a skill gap now its cause of there being less players in general. I was playing exclusively vanilla at that time as did many others. But almost all of us switched to tad around pk4. But after that a few good players still came from nilla, most notably irishfaithful

Point being, if ur going to be good at aoe, you will most likely be good on either version. Nilla has fewer good players simply cuz it has fewer players

I think it's safe to say that you and Aizamk are better players on TAD than you were when you both were 100% vanilla.

You and Aizamk were a joke compared to your skills now on TAD. I think the TAD Aiz and Umeu could pwn the Vanilla aiz and umeu right?

Being OP on vanilla is easy because the competition is not there and that's where your confusion lies.


Tad me would beat nilla me on tad, but I'm not sure on nilla. I'm better now only cause I know more about the game, but not because I play better mechanically. In fact im 100% sure i don't, and i never will be able again to play as fast as i did when on nilla. I used to Almost never lose a Cannon fight for example. Now I can't even beat cannons with culvs lol. Also I had little trouble beating tad guys who came to nilla back then. But as I said, it's probably different now. And I don't deny that playing tad can help you get better not only cause more players is more competition but also playing against the aggressive twc and more defensive tad civs teaches you many tricks

I'm not denying that ATM the competition is harder on that, cuz it simply is. But merely saying that nilla isn't a much worse environment to get good at the game in, atleast back in the time when there was more competition. And while nilla players going to tad might lack mu knowledge, tad players going to nilla will really miss all the extras tad offers in terms of hot keys and other automated stuff.
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There was a time where umeu was asshole and better whit skills. Now maybe he knows the game better, he is asshole, but his skills<<<<. Umeu was a good and interesting player. He used also another account AD10 if i'm not wrong
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In the past pro used to play both Nilla and tad. There wasn't anymore skills difference. Just some players Who abus of Asyan civ when they went to Nilla they wasn't able to get same level in Nilla as they had in tad. Personally the difference about skills i felt was in team game. Not in 2-2 but in 3-3. 3-3 in tad had always the face of a tr10-15. I remeber a voice telling best team games was in Nilla. Personally when i joined in tad (when It was launched online) i play it a bit and teams where a Little bit Easy compared to tad.
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To say that vanilla was just as good at one time is sort of misleading @deleted_user just because of the PK's vanilla tournament that happened for one time. People had to prepare on vanilla and play games there to compete in that environment but that's the only time in years that vanilla was taken seriously for a short period of time.

Consequently, that was my favorite tournament because of NP's awesome British play even though LordRaph otto lamed him lol
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Still bad that community is splitted in 2 Groups. Vanilla, TWC and TAD should be all in one game/browser.
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r4go wrote:
_H2O wrote:Yeah I would say that France goes double rax bows wth like 4-10 pokes and cannot lose. Once you have 40 bows the bumping of the cav and the fact that the front ones all die in one volley makes it almost impossible to break without just going pure bow yourself.

The last time I played vanilla was to troll chicks. He would ff as German in the mirror and make pure ulhan. I would make pure skirm and just win with 30-40 skirms left, same scores before fight. Gg so fun.

While mono yumi or mono ashi winning is fun? Or iro rush? Or sioux's br you can't counter easy? Or ulhan owning so hard? Jinette + attack move =win is fun?? :biggrin: :biggrin: or china old han?. India whit all the possible units in age2? :biggrin:
Nilla requires more apm and micro. Skirms xbow can do good vs cav if they hit and run back. Bit if you have a lot of cav u just win. Only in tad 5huss >> 60 strelz/xbow and maybe lb/skirm (70% die for sure).
Tad really sux in term of belanced.
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Why ever play with only 57% of the civs chosen from between the most homogenous ones, less unit classes, less diverse mechanics, lack of most of the awesome high-level cards, less maps (biggest continent on Earth missing + more), worse UI, poor's man version of the scenario editor, 37,5% of the campaign and butchered content in general?
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Imperial Noob wrote:Why ever play with only 57% of the civs chosen from between the most homogenous ones, less unit classes, less diverse mechanics, lack of most of the awesome high-level cards, less maps (biggest continent on Earth missing + more), worse UI, poor's man version of the scenario editor, 37,5% of the campaign and butchered content in general?
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It would be fun to use Sioux/Iroq more often but they were considered lame while Aztecs are considered very unique which makes it annoying to get used to.

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