RE civ balance: is ottoman as lame as iro?
RE civ balance: is ottoman as lame as iro?
many consider that these 2 are tier 1 civs, but i doubt that
Re: RE civ balance: is ottoman as lame as iro?
Well the more I played otto, the more I saw they weren't that strong. The more I play germany or brit, the more I see they are a really strong civ.
However if you take into account that on RE you have sometimes bad maps, then otto becomes really strong
However if you take into account that on RE you have sometimes bad maps, then otto becomes really strong
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Re: RE civ balance: is ottoman as lame as iro?
Ofc otto is as lame as iro
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I'll take playing against otto than iro on re. and otto can do water play.
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Re: RE civ balance: is ottoman as lame as iro?
id rather play vs iro
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Re: RE civ balance: is ottoman as lame as iro?
yeah otto is weak and hard to play, just gotta practice more because jan rush or jan abus or ff make jans is not just a build order, it's art
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Re: RE civ balance: is ottoman as lame as iro?
I mean abus is the most annoying unit ever to deal with, though I'd still rate them rather equally.
Re: RE civ balance: is ottoman as lame as iro?
On the Aoe3 simple elo ladder 1v1 civ cross table overall winrates 2010-2013 the win rate top 5 for x<pr29 and x>pr29 are as follows-
x<pr29 India ties Iro 56.21%, Otto 54.99% , China 52.97%, Russia ties aztec 51.96%
x>pr29 India 57%, Iro 56.56%, Otto 53.80%, China 53.07%, Sioux 52.48%
worst MU x<pr29 36.76% Spain vs Otto (wardog/mm fbv's IMO) x>pr29 30.24% Ports vs Japs
I know this isn't perfect because tp/non tp maps etc. but it is an average across millions of games nonetheless- interestingly Sioux beats Otto 1v1 by 53%+ in both pr levels.
x<pr29 India ties Iro 56.21%, Otto 54.99% , China 52.97%, Russia ties aztec 51.96%
x>pr29 India 57%, Iro 56.56%, Otto 53.80%, China 53.07%, Sioux 52.48%
worst MU x<pr29 36.76% Spain vs Otto (wardog/mm fbv's IMO) x>pr29 30.24% Ports vs Japs
I know this isn't perfect because tp/non tp maps etc. but it is an average across millions of games nonetheless- interestingly Sioux beats Otto 1v1 by 53%+ in both pr levels.
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Re: RE civ balance: is ottoman as lame as iro?
Janissaries are OP. Nerf, please!
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Re: RE civ balance: is ottoman as lame as iro?
Both are very lame ;p
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Re: RE civ balance: is ottoman as lame as iro?
zoom wrote:Janissaries are OP. Nerf, please!
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Re: RE civ balance: is ottoman as lame as iro?
The more I play against otto (and even as otto), the more I start to think that Otto FF is actually stronger than Jan abus in a variety of match ups. On a random RE QS map there are too many maps with water or no TPs, and quite a few maps with shitty TP lines. Depending on the TP line I'd definitely rate otto as extremely strong though. I suppose iro performs a bit better on the variety of the match ups, although iro too suffers from no TP maps.
Re: RE civ balance: is ottoman as lame as iro?
Jerom wrote:The more I play against otto (and even as otto), the more I start to think that Otto FF is actually stronger than Jan abus in a variety of match ups. On a random RE QS map there are too many maps with water or no TPs, and quite a few maps with shitty TP lines. Depending on the TP line I'd definitely rate otto as extremely strong though. I suppose iro performs a bit better on the variety of the match ups, although iro too suffers from no TP maps.
Otto is actually really good vs water tbh.
I have never known whether otto FF is better than jan abus or not, both are just so strong (on re maps at least). I feel otto ff might be more effective on esoc maps since it is harder to starve out with jan abus though
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