Best 2v2 civs? [EP]
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Like Garja said. Sioux got buffed, not nerfed. Now they've got a good infantry and they are much better balanced civ.
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Hazza54321 wrote:Kaiserklein wrote:Why would sioux go from super lame team civ to trash tier ? It's not like bow riders are weak lol
They also have shite eco and theres better maps and they have no infantry or mm
They already had no mm and shit infantry but they were tier 1. I don't see how they would become so weak, I think you can still raid on EP maps, and brs are still strong.
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Kaiserklein wrote:Hazza54321 wrote:Kaiserklein wrote:Why would sioux go from super lame team civ to trash tier ? It's not like bow riders are weak lol
They also have shite eco and theres better maps and they have no infantry or mm
They already had no mm and shit infantry but they were tier 1. I don't see how they would become so weak, I think you can still raid on EP maps, and brs are still strong.
Re: Best 2v2 civs? [EP]
sioux are more balanced, but not stronger.
cause sioux is NEVER a "common" civ. they're way too different from other civs, and if they play like other civs they become bottom tier.
on RE, 90% victories of sioux rely on "uncommon" reasons: imba bow rider, raiding, shitty map, enemy overcommit.... instead of the common reasons, good eco, balanced unit composition, proper micro, etc.
cause sioux is NEVER a "common" civ. they're way too different from other civs, and if they play like other civs they become bottom tier.
on RE, 90% victories of sioux rely on "uncommon" reasons: imba bow rider, raiding, shitty map, enemy overcommit.... instead of the common reasons, good eco, balanced unit composition, proper micro, etc.
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Kaiserklein wrote:Hazza54321 wrote:Kaiserklein wrote:Why would sioux go from super lame team civ to trash tier ? It's not like bow riders are weak lol
They also have shite eco and theres better maps and they have no infantry or mm
They already had no mm and shit infantry but they were tier 1. I don't see how they would become so weak, I think you can still raid on EP maps, and brs are still strong.
They werent tier 1, and -30hp on their main unit is also a bug nerf, u saw what -10hp did to ur beloved germans
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Hazza54321 wrote:Kaiserklein wrote:Show hidden quotes
They already had no mm and shit infantry but they were tier 1. I don't see how they would become so weak, I think you can still raid on EP maps, and brs are still strong.
They werent tier 1, and -30hp on their main unit is also a bug nerf, u saw what -10hp did to ur beloved germans
This.
Uhlan which is one composition of army gets -10hp--->unplayable, tier 4, awful civ
Br which is the ONLY composition of army -30hp-->slight nerf, still definitely a good civ
logical
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Yep because unlike BR, uhlans were not broken. It was only fair to nerf the BR, whereas the uhlan nerf was a bad way to nerf germany, since the problem was how many uhlans you get and not how strong they are. BR are still a powerful unit, and they're ranged cav in age 2, and they don't have a multiplier vs vils, and they're super fast cause of the warchief.
And of course sioux were tier 1 on RE in team...
And of course sioux were tier 1 on RE in team...
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Buff ger
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Who said that ?
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Re: Best 2v2 civs? [EP]
somppukunkku wrote:Hazza54321 wrote:Show hidden quotes
They werent tier 1, and -30hp on their main unit is also a bug nerf, u saw what -10hp did to ur beloved germans
This.
Uhlan which is one composition of army gets -10hp--->unplayable, tier 4, awful civ
Br which is the ONLY composition of army -30hp-->slight nerf, still definitely a good civ
logical
If you wanna talk about logical, the power of a civ depends of a ton of parameters. That can be represented as a mathematical surjective function from R^n to R (in this case n->infinity, because the game is insanely complicated). That equation per civ is that much complicated that you can not compare one civ change to an other civ change easily because their equation of power is totally different. That's why we prefer more playtesting than talking and making closed assumption in the Beta
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"because the game is insanely complicated"
Yes. Sioux is insanely complicated, make shitload of BR/some axe/dogs and try to find a perfect spot to rape enemy army.
I think we can agree for example that if sioux cav were nerfed all by -20% it would be like a joke civ, even without "playtesting"
I think changes are more important on paper than a few pr 30's "playtesting" who have no idea what to even do with those civs.
Yes. Sioux is insanely complicated, make shitload of BR/some axe/dogs and try to find a perfect spot to rape enemy army.
I think we can agree for example that if sioux cav were nerfed all by -20% it would be like a joke civ, even without "playtesting"
I think changes are more important on paper than a few pr 30's "playtesting" who have no idea what to even do with those civs.
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somppukunkku wrote:"because the game is insanely complicated"
Yes. Sioux is insanely complicated, make shitload of BR/some axe/dogs and try to find a perfect spot to rape enemy army.
I think we can agree for example that if sioux cav were nerfed all by -20% it would be like a joke civ, even without "playtesting"
If you read correctly, I was talking about the complexity of the equation of having a powerful civ and not the mechanic of the civ.
Ofc -20% nerf to all cav is huge, I never said the contrary. That's why you take this example
somppukunkku wrote:I think changes are more important on paper than a few pr 30's "playtesting" who have no idea what to even do with those civs.
I don't know why you always need to be agressive, but playtesting is the core of developping the game. Moreover the beta is composed by really good players which has won some aoe3 tourney, so arguably, they know how to play this game.
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Saying things like they are =/= aggression
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