Time to let Diarouga come back
- spanky4ever
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Time to let Diarouga come back
I have hear some of the arguments back and forth!
And I must admit I was pretty annoyed by diarouga spamming a lot of smurfs in chat!
BUT
I think this has been going on long enough!
And today he steeped up and played team games with Mitoe vs Veni and Blackstar because H20 and Sam left raging before the tournament game was over.
They gave us some GG
Diarouga has appologized for his behaviour, he has done some good job for EP team, he stepped in AD HOCK for team game!
Its time IMO to let by gons, be by gons and forgive and forget.
I have been told so many times that this comunity is small and fragile, so we should give our best player some "slack"!
I feel the time is here now to give @Diarouga some of that and forgivness
And I must admit I was pretty annoyed by diarouga spamming a lot of smurfs in chat!
BUT
I think this has been going on long enough!
And today he steeped up and played team games with Mitoe vs Veni and Blackstar because H20 and Sam left raging before the tournament game was over.
They gave us some GG
Diarouga has appologized for his behaviour, he has done some good job for EP team, he stepped in AD HOCK for team game!
Its time IMO to let by gons, be by gons and forgive and forget.
I have been told so many times that this comunity is small and fragile, so we should give our best player some "slack"!
I feel the time is here now to give @Diarouga some of that and forgivness
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Re: Time to let Diarouga come back
No need, I just heard on the grapevine he is signing up six smurf accounts in the next tournament!
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- spanky4ever
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Re: Time to let Diarouga come back
WickedCossack wrote:No need, I just heard on the grapevine he is signing up six smurf accounts in the next tournament!
I guess that is not what anybody wants though!
Any chance of just letting him play on his own account - and get rid of all that smurfs
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- fightinfrenchman
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Re: Time to let Diarouga come back
I think any staff members who want him to remain banned should explain themselves here.
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#BringDiarougaBack
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Ahhh so Diarouga is the sup community version of sid18
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Re: Time to let Diarouga come back
I'm more than happy to explain. He is unable to change his poor behavior after being given more chances than he probably should have. There's no doubt that he contributes a lot, and that is appreciated by all. However, it doesn't give him a free pass to be a jackass. His latest comments that he didn't get his way so he is going to ruin the upcoming 1v1 tournament by smurfing continues to prove to everyone his attitude. His way or no way. It's extremely unfortunate because I'm sure many people (myself included) want to see the good Diarouga as part of the community and in tournaments. Hopefully the game and community lives long enough for him to grow up.
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Re: Time to let Diarouga come back
Indeed, as n0el said, Diarouga's current life goal is reportedly eliminating ESOC from existence. He's gathering up smurfs in order to disrupt or even cancel the next tournament as we speak.
I have faith that the community can survive these trying times and what we have built together will not be destroyed by one crazed individual. Please stay strong folks!
I have faith that the community can survive these trying times and what we have built together will not be destroyed by one crazed individual. Please stay strong folks!
Re: Time to let Diarouga come back
All we want from Diarouga is some kind of commitment on his part to improve his behaviour and to apologize to the community and staff members that he's frequently harassed. I've told him as much recently.
He has made attempts to reconcile with some members, myself included, but this does not seem to be the case for many others, unfortunately.
Obviously the current relationship between Diarouga and ESOC is undesirable for both parties, and we would be happy to welcome him back into ESOC if his behaviour changes. It may not be immediate: but if there is noticeable change or improvement we would surely welcome him back given enough time.
It's definitely within our best interest to have him as a productive member of the community, but the ball is in his court to set things right.
He has made attempts to reconcile with some members, myself included, but this does not seem to be the case for many others, unfortunately.
Obviously the current relationship between Diarouga and ESOC is undesirable for both parties, and we would be happy to welcome him back into ESOC if his behaviour changes. It may not be immediate: but if there is noticeable change or improvement we would surely welcome him back given enough time.
It's definitely within our best interest to have him as a productive member of the community, but the ball is in his court to set things right.
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Re: Time to let Diarouga come back
EAGLEMUT wrote:Indeed, as n0el said, Diarouga's current life goal is reportedly eliminating ESOC from existence. He's gathering up smurfs in order to disrupt or even cancel the next tournament as we speak.
I have faith that the community can survive these trying times and what we have built together will not be destroyed by one crazed individual. Please stay strong folks!
Really? Is he that dangerous?
Re: Time to let Diarouga come back
I could quote something from him from about 24 hours ago in EP forums where he says if he is not unbanned, his only choice is to smurf next tourney with 6 smurfs. But thats private conversations
Re: Time to let Diarouga come back
If being a jackass disqualifies one from playing in tournaments, why is diarouga the only player banned? I can understand why he's banned from the forums, but being banned from tourneys seems unreasonable, especially considering that he's never misbehaved in a tournament setting...... Speaking of that, I find it amazing that H2O is still allowed to participate in tourneys. First he completely stops trying after game 3 in the last tourney finals, and now he quits in the middle of a series. Him and Sam shouldn't even have been playing lol. I promise you breeze and goongod wouldn't have quit in the middle of a series. It already seemed sketchy that he got a spot without even giving goongod a chance to find a new mate (and breeze shouldn't even have been kicked out, but that's a whole different issue) and than he quits in the middle of the series? Don't even pretend like there isn't a double standard, cause its blatantly obvious to anyone with eyes that there is. But ye we'll just ban the guy we don't like for being a jackass but it's fine for the people in the inner clique to be a jackass, ruin tournaments etc.....n0el wrote:I'm more than happy to explain. He is unable to change his poor behavior after being given more chances than he probably should have. There's no doubt that he contributes a lot, and that is appreciated by all. However, it doesn't give him a free pass to be a jackass. His latest comments that he didn't get his way so he is going to ruin the upcoming 1v1 tournament by smurfing continues to prove to everyone his attitude. His way or no way. It's extremely unfortunate because I'm sure many people (myself included) want to see the good Diarouga as part of the community and in tournaments. Hopefully the game and community lives long enough for him to grow up.
- spanky4ever
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Re: Time to let Diarouga come back
I will not pretend that I know half of the story behind the ban. But I know that Diarouga really want to participate and that he is suffering being left out for a long period now. So, maybe he has learned something from this?. Right now this issue is dividing the community, and maybe we should let the benefit of the doubt go in his favor, like the grown ups WE are - and give him a second go? That is what I would suggest we do, anyways.
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Mitoe wrote:All we want from Diarouga is some kind of commitment on his part to improve his behaviour and to apologize to the community and staff members that he's frequently harassed. I've told him as much recently.
Yeah we all want people to apologize to us, but it doesn't always happen. Kind of sad to see diarouga being held to a standard the staff themselves aren't.
Also I agree that breeze shouldn't have been banned from the tournament, I know it was only done to make room for H2O and Sam, which was clearly a mistake.
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Re: Time to let Diarouga come back
iwillspankyou wrote:I will not pretend that I know half of the story behind the ban. But I know that Diarouga really want to participate and that he is suffering being left out for a long period now. So, maybe he has learned something from this?. Right now this issue is dividing the community, and maybe we should let the benefit of the doubt go in his favor, like the grown ups WE are - and give him a second go? That is what I would suggest we do, anyways.
Id bet quite a bit of money on diarouga not having learned anything. He's a structural sociopath in my eyes.
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Jerom wrote:iwillspankyou wrote:I will not pretend that I know half of the story behind the ban. But I know that Diarouga really want to participate and that he is suffering being left out for a long period now. So, maybe he has learned something from this?. Right now this issue is dividing the community, and maybe we should let the benefit of the doubt go in his favor, like the grown ups WE are - and give him a second go? That is what I would suggest we do, anyways.
Id bet quite a bit of money on diarouga not having learned anything. He's a structural sociopath in my eyes.
Pot calling the kettle black.
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Re: Time to let Diarouga come back
I have a strong opinion on this that I have voiced to the staff.
All I have to say publicly at this time is that I greatly appreciate Diarouga and his work he is doing with Insight Studios and that I look forward to him running Fight Night alongside me.
All I have to say publicly at this time is that I greatly appreciate Diarouga and his work he is doing with Insight Studios and that I look forward to him running Fight Night alongside me.
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Re: Time to let Diarouga come back
Such a silly place...
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Re: Time to let Diarouga come back
How to judge by esoc community:
- have absolutely no clue what youre talking about
- take lies for facts to compensate for the fact that you have no clue what youre talking about
- make a terrible judgement
- proceed to flame the staff
- have absolutely no clue what youre talking about
- take lies for facts to compensate for the fact that you have no clue what youre talking about
- make a terrible judgement
- proceed to flame the staff
Re: Time to let Diarouga come back
@spanky4ever I see what you're trying to say, and while I know you're trying to be empathetic to his situation, recent actions have convinced us to wait a while longer before we consider unbanning him.
There were actually recent discussions about unbanning Diarouga, but his attitude towards members of the team—even very recently—have proven that nothing has changed as of yet. He is well aware of our conditions for him if he wants us to reconsider unbanning him, and as I have already stated the ball is currently in his court.
@gibson I can understand where you're coming from with this, but you have to understand that there's a lot more to Diarouga's ban than simple bad behaviour. This is his second permaban, and it will take time for us to decide he deserves a third chance. Regarding H2O: for the most part he has been more than accommodating in tournament settings, and has never engaged in flaming or similar behaviour on any of ESOC's outlets, be it forum, twitch chat, or youtube. Although his decision to forfeit from the 2v2 tournament was undesirable, he later told me that neither he or Sam felt willing to play the series even before it began, and were having little to no fun during the first two games. Neither of them had really played since their last match and this weekend was a tight squeeze for their schedules, leaving no room for rescheduling either.
And while I know I risk sounding biased here, I think that during the Autumn Tournament it is hard to blame him for being unmotivated to finish the series when they had already spent far more time out of game than they had in game. I believe the series took 130 minutes overall, and only 54 minutes (if I recall correctly) of that time had been spent in game. This is obviously unacceptable not only for a competitive environment, but also for live spectators, casters, and other staff. We are looking into creating rules for some kind of time limit between games in the later stages of our future tournaments as the number of required games grows larger.
Besides, H2O had also been perfectly willing to even jump in on the Skype call on the stream and talk about the series a bit before logging off; during which, he did not display any sort of inappropriate behaviour.
Regarding the decision to remove Breeze and Goongoon from the tournament I cannot comment on that. I am not a member of the tournament staff for the 2v2 Invitational and am not totally aware of all of details of that decision.
@fightinfrenchman I know that we, the staff, have had our differences in the past, and maybe even wrongly warned or banned you and evilcheader a time or two in the past, and for that you have my sincere apology at least. It is not always easy to decide which course of action is the correct one to take, and it is something we are actively trying to improve on.
I'd like to take a moment to remind everyone of exactly what kind of situation you put us in when you try to demand that we explain our decisions regarding bans and other moderating decisions that affect community members like Diarouga. It is often difficult to explain the situation and our actions without defacing the user in question. This usually leads to greater distrust between the team and the user, which can—and often does—actually make reconciliation more difficult in the future. We have tried to appear more unbiased when explaining these situations in the past, but this allows for a lot of "reading between the lines" and other, often untruthful, rumours: which can be harmful or even detrimental within such a small community. As a result, we usually try to be as honest as possible in our explanations, sometimes at the expense of our relationship with the user in question.
I hope that you can all accept our decision regarding Diarouga and know that we will happily change our decision in the future, should the situation allow for it.
There were actually recent discussions about unbanning Diarouga, but his attitude towards members of the team—even very recently—have proven that nothing has changed as of yet. He is well aware of our conditions for him if he wants us to reconsider unbanning him, and as I have already stated the ball is currently in his court.
@gibson I can understand where you're coming from with this, but you have to understand that there's a lot more to Diarouga's ban than simple bad behaviour. This is his second permaban, and it will take time for us to decide he deserves a third chance. Regarding H2O: for the most part he has been more than accommodating in tournament settings, and has never engaged in flaming or similar behaviour on any of ESOC's outlets, be it forum, twitch chat, or youtube. Although his decision to forfeit from the 2v2 tournament was undesirable, he later told me that neither he or Sam felt willing to play the series even before it began, and were having little to no fun during the first two games. Neither of them had really played since their last match and this weekend was a tight squeeze for their schedules, leaving no room for rescheduling either.
And while I know I risk sounding biased here, I think that during the Autumn Tournament it is hard to blame him for being unmotivated to finish the series when they had already spent far more time out of game than they had in game. I believe the series took 130 minutes overall, and only 54 minutes (if I recall correctly) of that time had been spent in game. This is obviously unacceptable not only for a competitive environment, but also for live spectators, casters, and other staff. We are looking into creating rules for some kind of time limit between games in the later stages of our future tournaments as the number of required games grows larger.
Besides, H2O had also been perfectly willing to even jump in on the Skype call on the stream and talk about the series a bit before logging off; during which, he did not display any sort of inappropriate behaviour.
Regarding the decision to remove Breeze and Goongoon from the tournament I cannot comment on that. I am not a member of the tournament staff for the 2v2 Invitational and am not totally aware of all of details of that decision.
@fightinfrenchman I know that we, the staff, have had our differences in the past, and maybe even wrongly warned or banned you and evilcheader a time or two in the past, and for that you have my sincere apology at least. It is not always easy to decide which course of action is the correct one to take, and it is something we are actively trying to improve on.
I'd like to take a moment to remind everyone of exactly what kind of situation you put us in when you try to demand that we explain our decisions regarding bans and other moderating decisions that affect community members like Diarouga. It is often difficult to explain the situation and our actions without defacing the user in question. This usually leads to greater distrust between the team and the user, which can—and often does—actually make reconciliation more difficult in the future. We have tried to appear more unbiased when explaining these situations in the past, but this allows for a lot of "reading between the lines" and other, often untruthful, rumours: which can be harmful or even detrimental within such a small community. As a result, we usually try to be as honest as possible in our explanations, sometimes at the expense of our relationship with the user in question.
I hope that you can all accept our decision regarding Diarouga and know that we will happily change our decision in the future, should the situation allow for it.
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Re: Time to let Diarouga come back
Jerom wrote:How to judge by esoc community:
- have absolutely no clue what youre talking about
- take lies for facts to compensate for the fact that you have no clue what youre talking about
- make a terrible judgement
- proceed to flame the staff
How to be Jerom
- Be an ESOC staff member and constantly attack the community while claiming to support it
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Re: Time to let Diarouga come back
@Mitoe I do appreciate your apology, I don't have problems with all of the staff but there are obviously certain members who clearly owe the basement an apology, and it is unfortunate to see them refuse. But despite this setback, the basement looks forward to working with the more positive members of the staff in the future.
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Re: Time to let Diarouga come back
fightinfrenchman wrote:Jerom wrote:How to judge by esoc community:
- have absolutely no clue what youre talking about
- take lies for facts to compensate for the fact that you have no clue what youre talking about
- make a terrible judgement
- proceed to flame the staff
How to be Jerom
- Be an ESOC staff member and constantly attack the community while claiming to support it
How to be fightinfrenchman
- troll
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