[RE] Need help!

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[RE] Need help!

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A dutch vs japan game on qs
I do a fast 4 bank boom, and kill all his shrines with pikes, take full control of the map, and still lose badly to a 1st lieut? :sad:
30 hussar+cav combat+arsenal upgrade lose to pure yumi (without walls) :cry:

yeah i can do fish boom/stagecoach boom for a more scary eco but i don't think that really matters
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Well, he probably had somewhere around 80 yumis with Shogun-aura. Considering the fact that each yumi is shooting while most of your hussars are busy running around not attacking, it is suddenly not so weird anymore.
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You need cannons to deal with yumi later on unless @Gendarme
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it's probably one of the hardest mu in the game, it's a bit the same logic as brit, bows (yumi or lb) do too much damage to dutch composition
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Googol wrote:You need cannons to deal with yumi later on unless @Gendarme

Yabusame kill cannons easily
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fei123456 wrote:
Googol wrote:You need cannons to deal with yumi later on unless @Gendarme

Yabusame kill cannons easily
I guess you posted the game for tips, but you actually don't accept those. Interesting.. Yabu kill cannons yea, but how would u deal with yumi then. Vet yumi with ups do well vs cavs.
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what about protecting cannons
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Yabusames have less range than heavy cannons (or even field guns) I guess you can abuse this
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If he makes yabusame then he can't make pure yumi. Works like magic.
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Isn't Dutch into Japan pretty much the worst RE matchup? Good luck winning that.

Anyways as others say your best bet is probably skirm cannon with ~15 Ruyter and 3+ Ruyter always in queue that you can cancel. Cav just does nothing against yumi once the yumi have mass and ups. Yabusame will kill your artillery but if you can run him off mines then he can't afford to spam them as fast as you can spam equivalent cannon pop, that's pretty much your only chance.
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Aren't Flaming Arrows more of a threat to Falconets than Yabusame? :hmm:

Also, @fei123456 :
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Another game vs this guy
A long and tough battle vs AGE IV Japan (though im using spain not dutch)
Lancer do perform better than hussar

If I play more treaty I may win this easier?
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I recently lost vs a heavy-turtle Japan as Spain, I even revolted, but it didn't work at all. Perhaps a lancer-heavy composition with a good eco behind, boosted up by unction'd missionaries, and gradually taking down enemy wonders — could all work :?
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vs turtle with 3ple wall imo you just ship falcs and 1 k wood and go skirm lancer and rod or goon (prefer rod), stagecoach from 1 k wood kill all shrines and take map with building placement/herding, and go for a timing. I think that lancers are really good vs japan
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I watched the Dutch game. It seems to me that you did good damage in the first fight, and could have won the second (and the game, possibly) if you hadn't chosen to fight in the trees (most of the yumi were invulnerable in the position they were in).
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