porto vs spain

[Garja]

port is a better civ overall (400w, skirm cards, real units in lategame), but spain as a more exploitable strategy. If ports get past the mid fortress they win.

[_DB_]

Port win this one. Spain FF or Spain Rush (if any) isn't enough lame to outplay ports anyway, either land or water. Port FF beat Spain FF unless the Spain guy is very good with his micro. Port is ofc just more comfortable and easier to play.

[samwise12]

Pretty sure Spain win this early fortress, although if Port holds the early fortress push i imagine they would win mid/late game.

[gibson]

Spain wins on land map because 2 falc > 2 organ guns

[KINGofOsmane]

in nilla spain for sure in TAD i am not sure

[Garja]

to be fair spain also has better colonial in this patch and I'm not sure ports can age up if spain decides to go xbow pikes for example

[[Armag] diarouga]

Spain, ff gives you a better eco and a solid push.

[Marco1698]

Depends imo. If it's tad or nilla. From map as well anyway Spain takes it bc port is so bad.. On Land map at least

[Jaeger]

How can spain win on one of Garja's maps? If the port player has herds in his base and places buildings smartly, there's no early damage you can do. Port can send CM. That means if you shoot a TC with cannons, one falc will die for sure before the TC goes down, and that also bought the port player a lot of time. The 2 organ guns can clean up the other falc. If you go in with pikes to siege TC, you have a good chance of getting CM popped on you and loosing both falcs or loosing your infantry. If he places his buildings smartly, there wont be anything you can really shoot from far away with falcs withouth getting shot by TC.

[deleted_user0]

Tc will die before falc is killed with cm. Can use pike to speed the process. But anyway, a good spain player wont go for the tc first. He will go for the mili production and houses. You will only go for a tc if its far out and you can get behind with skirs and cav without getting trapped.

Focusing so much on a tc is a rookie mistake. Anyway spain just has more stuff and will win if used right.

[Jaeger]

Tc will die before falc is killed with cm. Can use pike to speed the process. But anyway, a good spain player wont go for the tc first. He will go for the mili production and houses. You will only go for a tc if its far out and you can get behind with skirs and cav without getting trapped.

Focusing so much on a tc is a rookie mistake. Anyway spain just has more stuff and will win if used right.

But how can you kill mili production buildings without taking TC fire if they build their buildings in the right spots between the TC''s? Also, maybe the falc doesn''t die but it will be very low HP and will easily be able to be shot down by mm. If you bring some pikes forward to the TC and leave some pikes by falcs, you have to bring skirms forward too. But he can have organ guns already or just more skirms. In that case, you have to bring falcs closer to the TC. But if you do, he can pop CM.

[deleted_user0]

Ports cant just ship organs first card... At most 2nd and thats playing risky already. In that time spain has already done the critical damage, or ought to have done anyway

[_venox_]

cm + walls and close tcs?

[deleted_user0]

You will simply starve. Well played spain > ports on land. Its closer on water but i think spain has good chances there too

[[Armag] diarouga]

Well played spain >' ports on land. Its closer on water but i think spain has good chances there too

Garja showed us that by beating boneng and kynesie in sag.