[EP2.0] Jerom (Dutch) vs aligator92 (British) on Mendocino

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[EP2.0] Jerom (Dutch) vs aligator92 (British) on Mendocino

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So how is dutch now? I didn't have the time to watch your games.
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Undecided. I got rekt this game but then microd myself back into it. The other two recs are vs russia, in which I dont do what I should do, but I think bank wagon 700w colonial militia 600w (ormaybe those inversed) is going to beat russia. You get 4 shipments in colonial if you make like 13 pop of units, so against timing pushes maybe cm can be viable.
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Jerom wrote:Undecided. I got rekt this game but then microd myself back into it. The other two recs are vs russia, in which I dont do what I should do, but I think bank wagon 700w colonial militia 600w (ormaybe those inversed) is going to beat russia. You get 4 shipments in colonial if you make like 13 pop of units, so against timing pushes maybe cm can be viable.

What we can wonder though is if some games vs some pr30- guys are meaningful. I remember that I thought that iro was viable because I raped some noobs.
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Youre amazing.

But yes I agree although I do know where I stand compared to these players so I can express some sort of feeling. That being said I also said idk. Could you maybe look at this rec some time and tell me how I shouldve played it.
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Jerom wrote:Youre amazing.

But yes I agree although I do know where I stand compared to these players so I can express some sort of feeling. That being said I also said idk. Could you maybe look at this rec some time and tell me how I shouldve played it.

I will maybe when I ll have time.
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1) Good macro

2) At 12min that was a good move to try to take a good positioning (sadly, he moved and turned it into a bad fight for you :( ).
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1) The BO was bad, you basically delayed the bank to build a TP, just delay the TP to build the bank lol, a bank is better than 1 TP (if you want to commit to a TP play, which is bad, build 2 TP while aging, you can't delay the bank just for an earlier TP).

2) You scout VC, a lot of vills on wood and a rax, it's of course going to be a pike semi ff, the counter would be to straigh ff, making huss just delays your age up for nothing.

3) You don't even use your huss, you should of course raid and at least scout him, you would see that he has 2 stables, it's a very important information you can easily gather with 5huss.

4) When you're playing dutch vs brit, you're the one who defends, so going half map just resulted in you wasting some skirms and you would have lose all your skirms if he had 10 huss. You should consider to boom more, like send 1000g after 1000w.

5) The 2nd rax is questionnable. Keep in mind that you have to kill his lb, and how? Not with a skirm/goon clearly. In this situation, you can either build a 2nd stable (if you assume you're better than your opponent and can abuse your mobility to raid etc, and win a fight with your huss), or simply build an artillery foundry, and make some falcs. If he adds culvs that's fine, make sure you have more culvs than him.

6) At 15min, after winning that fight, you decide to push and waste your army. You have a better eco and a lot of resources left, why do you push? Just boom more than him and wait, pushing your opponent's hunts when you don't have a huge army is the best way to take a bad fight.
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I got some praise by the god himself :o

I made a thread asking about if you do TP before bank or other way around but nobody responded T.T
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You of course build a bank before.
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:You of course build a bank before.

To give myself some extra credit, this was in the first days from release.

I do wonder if sometimes TP first just smoothens up your build to the point where its worth it. Not sure.

Anyhow in this case youre right yes. How would I succesfully scout virginia company btw?
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Well you have 200 extra wood, you should take a TP at some point, but it should not delay your bank boom.
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:Well you have 200 extra wood, you should take a TP at some point, but it should not delay your bank boom.

Against russia I was experimenting with the TP before bank because you can then sneak in cm and be fine about all russia can think of which is pretty cool.
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I dont really get point 4, why am I the one defending? I thought dutch had to make things happen.
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Jerom wrote:I dont really get point 4, why am I the one defending? I thought dutch had to make things happen.

Because you have less army?
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:
Jerom wrote:I dont really get point 4, why am I the one defending? I thought dutch had to make things happen.

Because you have less army unless he goes FI?
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Jerom wrote:How would I succesfully scout virginia company btw?

You can always check opponents' decks, sometimes it may be enough. If you spot VC and then see them massing manors like crazy, it should be a clear indication the best card in the game has just been sent :flowers:
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:+
1) Good macro

2) At 12min that was a good move to try to take a good positioning (sadly, he moved and turned it into a bad fight for you :( ).
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1) The BO was bad, you basically delayed the bank to build a TP, just delay the TP to build the bank lol, a bank is better than 1 TP (if you want to commit to a TP play, which is bad, build 2 TP while aging, you can't delay the bank just for an earlier TP).

2) You scout VC, a lot of vills on wood and a rax, it's of course going to be a pike semi ff, the counter would be to straigh ff, making huss just delays your age up for nothing.

3) You don't even use your huss, you should of course raid and at least scout him, you would see that he has 2 stables, it's a very important information you can easily gather with 5huss.

4) When you're playing dutch vs brit, you're the one who defends, so going half map just resulted in you wasting some skirms and you would have lose all your skirms if he had 10 huss. You should consider to boom more, like send 1000g after 1000w.

5) The 2nd rax is questionnable. Keep in mind that you have to kill his lb, and how? Not with a skirm/goon clearly. In this situation, you can either build a 2nd stable (if you assume you're better than your opponent and can abuse your mobility to raid etc, and win a fight with your huss), or simply build an artillery foundry, and make some falcs. If he adds culvs that's fine, make sure you have more culvs than him.

6) At 15min, after winning that fight, you decide to push and waste your army. You have a better eco and a lot of resources left, why do you push? Just boom more than him and wait, pushing your opponent's hunts when you don't have a huge army is the best way to take a bad fight.


But what if they go colo lb pike, or 10 lb 10 pike semi? They will harras your vills so much, make u can mm for the pike, and u might still lose a house
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:+
1) Good macro

2) At 12min that was a good move to try to take a good positioning (sadly, he moved and turned it into a bad fight for you :( ).
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1) The BO was bad, you basically delayed the bank to build a TP, just delay the TP to build the bank lol, a bank is better than 1 TP (if you want to commit to a TP play, which is bad, build 2 TP while aging, you can't delay the bank just for an earlier TP).

2) You scout VC, a lot of vills on wood and a rax, it's of course going to be a pike semi ff, the counter would be to straigh ff, making huss just delays your age up for nothing.

3) You don't even use your huss, you should of course raid and at least scout him, you would see that he has 2 stables, it's a very important information you can easily gather with 5huss.

4) When you're playing dutch vs brit, you're the one who defends, so going half map just resulted in you wasting some skirms and you would have lose all your skirms if he had 10 huss. You should consider to boom more, like send 1000g after 1000w.

5) The 2nd rax is questionnable. Keep in mind that you have to kill his lb, and how? Not with a skirm/goon clearly. In this situation, you can either build a 2nd stable (if you assume you're better than your opponent and can abuse your mobility to raid etc, and win a fight with your huss), or simply build an artillery foundry, and make some falcs. If he adds culvs that's fine, make sure you have more culvs than him.

6) At 15min, after winning that fight, you decide to push and waste your army. You have a better eco and a lot of resources left, why do you push? Just boom more than him and wait, pushing your opponent's hunts when you don't have a huge army is the best way to take a bad fight.


But what if they go colo lb pike, or 10 lb 10 pike semi? They will harras your vills so much, make u can mm for the pike, and u might still lose a house

He saw that the guy was going for virginia with a late rax, it's pretty obvious.

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